D.A.R.E officer says group does not benefit local program
Carver says he has received 8 complaints about national fundraising group
By TERESA RESSEL
Daily Journal Staff Writer
Daily Journal Staff Writer
Friday, October 24, 2008 10:00 AM CDT
Carver, the D.A.R.E. Instructor for Central, West County, North County, and Bismarck schools, has been told that those people are from Quantum, a fundraising company in St. Louis, who is hired and contracted by D.A.R.E. America.
Carver said Mike Dean, the state D.A.R.E. coordinator has been flooded with complaints about these people and their “high-pressure sales.” He said Dean wants nothing to do with Quantum.
Earlier this month, the group collected at Desloge Wal-Mart, Farmington Wal-Mart, and Bonne Terre Country Mart, telling people that a portion of the proceeds would go to the local D.A.R.E. Carver has received eight complaints about Quantum.
Carver said Quantum did not contact him or the Farmington D.A.R.E. officer to let them know they were raising funds. He said he is not going to get money or any free supplies from this group nor does he get anything free from D.A.R.E. America. He said even if the group followed its contract with D.A.R.E. America, the local D.A.R.E. officers would only get “a small amount.”
He feels that these people’s sales tactics are damaging D.A.R.E.’s reputation and the reputation of all who work so hard to support the D.A.R.E. program like the Lions Club, the Rotary Club and Crown Motors.
“They’re putting a bad taste in people’s mouths,” he said.
He said one mother of a past D.A.R.E. student called to give him an earful when a D.A.R.E. representative wouldn’t take her donation of $3 or any donation under $5.
Carver said the woman is unemployed right now but her daughter wanted to give a couple of dollars to D.A.R.E. because she loves the program. Carver had to explain that it wasn’t his fundraiser and at the time he didn’t know anything about it.
“I didn’t have a clue what they were doing,” he said.
A school social worker complained that one of the people followed her across the parking lot trying to get her to buy a child identification kit.
He said he has tried to call the company twice. The Sheriff talked to a company representative Tuesday and warned them to stop.
“If they are telling them that the money is going to the local D.A.R.E. they are misrepresenting,” Carver said. “At the worst, they are stealing by deceit.”
He said the way the group is operating, he would not welcome them here and would not take their money.
“I wouldn’t take any money from them if they are going to treat citizens the way they have,” he said.
He has talked to the local store managers to let them know this group is not benefiting him. They were surprised and upset, he said.
While he has not collected money at local stores, the local BackStoppers and Shop With a Cop groups have. He said if he was collecting money, he would be out there in his uniform with his D.A.R.E. truck.
D.A.R.E teaches students about drugs, peer pressure and how to say no to drugs and alcohol.
Teresa Ressel is a reporter for the Daily Journal and can be reached at 573-431-2010, ext. 179 or at tressel@dailyjournalonline.com.
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tiredofthebull posted on Friday, November 14th, 2008 at 12:52 pm
Joe - that is correct.. and that ammendment was intended to keep govt seperate... not interfering, not enforcing, and not requiring..
So if my kid goes to school, and at noon every day wants to pray to Allah, God, Satan, or any God that he wishes.. nobody can stop him.
You do earn my respect by at least being knowlegable on the subject and recognizing the individual right to religion.. which for most believers, this issues hits deep and home.. what is being taught in our schools, is it effective, and is it something we want strangers teaching our children.
Do I think DARE is effective? NO. Do I want my child to sit through it? NO. Do I want my tax dollars paying for it, NO.
I won't admit I know of a better program.. but I do know if a lot of parents got their butts in gear, the world would be a better place...
So if my kid goes to school, and at noon every day wants to pray to Allah, God, Satan, or any God that he wishes.. nobody can stop him.
You do earn my respect by at least being knowlegable on the subject and recognizing the individual right to religion.. which for most believers, this issues hits deep and home.. what is being taught in our schools, is it effective, and is it something we want strangers teaching our children.
Do I think DARE is effective? NO. Do I want my child to sit through it? NO. Do I want my tax dollars paying for it, NO.
I won't admit I know of a better program.. but I do know if a lot of parents got their butts in gear, the world would be a better place...
tiredofthebull posted on Friday, November 14th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
Yea.. you think you win by saying i lost? But you cannot, as I asked in my statement, show me where I am wrong....
I believe you don't agree with me. You are entitled to, but don't think you have won...
I'm sure if you as MoHWP if they support DARE, they will say yes.. under the assumption that something is better than nothing...
But remember, DARE is not funded by MoHWP.... or their officers. they do their jobs.. it's politics.. and it's not in their budgets anymore...
DUH!!!
Now if you actually ready what Carver wrote.. DARE wasn't intended to replace parenting...
Now, with effective parenting, supplemental programs may or may not be effective.. it's hard to judge the program in that respect when you cannot account for decent parenting.. judging by what I see in society, we need classes for parents more than we need for kids to stay off drugs...
believe what you want.. i'll be ok...
You are free to believe what you want, whether it's the truth or fiction.
I believe you don't agree with me. You are entitled to, but don't think you have won...
I'm sure if you as MoHWP if they support DARE, they will say yes.. under the assumption that something is better than nothing...
But remember, DARE is not funded by MoHWP.... or their officers. they do their jobs.. it's politics.. and it's not in their budgets anymore...
DUH!!!
Now if you actually ready what Carver wrote.. DARE wasn't intended to replace parenting...
Now, with effective parenting, supplemental programs may or may not be effective.. it's hard to judge the program in that respect when you cannot account for decent parenting.. judging by what I see in society, we need classes for parents more than we need for kids to stay off drugs...
believe what you want.. i'll be ok...
You are free to believe what you want, whether it's the truth or fiction.
Jeepster posted on Thursday, November 13th, 2008 at 8:31 pm
Tiredofthebull,
Whatever little credibility you may have had has just been lost. You made a bunch of reckless statements and when politely asked to cite a credible source for those statements you chose to launch yourself into some off topic rant and ignore the opportunity to prove yourself. Intelligent readers now know you were doing what you do best - just talking bull. LOL! Game, match, and set to Deputy G. Carver! Keep up the good work Deputy Carver, those of us capable of separating the bull from the real deal know and appreciate all you do for our kids.
Whatever little credibility you may have had has just been lost. You made a bunch of reckless statements and when politely asked to cite a credible source for those statements you chose to launch yourself into some off topic rant and ignore the opportunity to prove yourself. Intelligent readers now know you were doing what you do best - just talking bull. LOL! Game, match, and set to Deputy G. Carver! Keep up the good work Deputy Carver, those of us capable of separating the bull from the real deal know and appreciate all you do for our kids.
joe_63640 posted on Thursday, November 13th, 2008 at 11:55 am
TiredOfTheBull...
I checked the label on the can, and it says "Worms" but I'm gonna open it anyway;
This article was about a local law enforcement officer and relations to a group that was 'fundraising' in parking lots.
As that officer stated, if you've got a better program, bring it on, our world needs better ideas.
BTW - did you know uppercase SHOUTING IS RUDE?
As far as your scope-creep into constitutional law, remember, if the constitution were simple, it wouldn't cover all it does. If it were easy, we wouldn't need the supreme court to interpret law.
In Everson v. Board of Education (1947),Justice Hugo Black held,
"The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the federal government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion..."
Basically, you can't legislate morality.
I checked the label on the can, and it says "Worms" but I'm gonna open it anyway;
This article was about a local law enforcement officer and relations to a group that was 'fundraising' in parking lots.
As that officer stated, if you've got a better program, bring it on, our world needs better ideas.
BTW - did you know uppercase SHOUTING IS RUDE?
As far as your scope-creep into constitutional law, remember, if the constitution were simple, it wouldn't cover all it does. If it were easy, we wouldn't need the supreme court to interpret law.
In Everson v. Board of Education (1947),Justice Hugo Black held,
"The "establishment of religion" clause of the First Amendment means at least this: Neither a state nor the federal government can set up a church. Neither can pass laws which aid one religion, aid all religions, or prefer one religion over another. Neither can force nor influence a person to go to or to remain away from church against his will or force him to profess a belief or disbelief in any religion..."
Basically, you can't legislate morality.
tiredofthebull posted on Thursday, November 13th, 2008 at 9:35 am
I'm sorry to keep posting, but it takes so much more than another sherriff's deputy showing off his gun and pill collection saying "Just say no".
i'd love to hear one good solid story where DARE saved someone from drugs.
THere are too many other factors. Home life and parents are the start, the middle, and the end to the raising of a child.
speaking of... is dare tax funded? if so, please give me the address to the local,state, and fed offices so i can write them a letter stating as a tax payer i do not support this program anymore.
i'd love to hear one good solid story where DARE saved someone from drugs.
THere are too many other factors. Home life and parents are the start, the middle, and the end to the raising of a child.
speaking of... is dare tax funded? if so, please give me the address to the local,state, and fed offices so i can write them a letter stating as a tax payer i do not support this program anymore.
tiredofthebull posted on Thursday, November 13th, 2008 at 9:29 am
Heck yea MBSER - NO WHERE IN THE CONSTITUTION DOES IT STATE SEPERATE CHURCH AND STATE.
YOU CAN TEACH MY KIDS WHAT A JOINT AND 8 BALL ARE, YOU BETTER BE TEACHING HIM ABOUT GOD AND DOING THE RIGHT THING.
DON'T TELL THE KID HOW TO USE A CONDOM, TELL HIM IT'S A SIN. HE SHOULD WAIT TILL HE GETS MARRIED. THAT THERE ARE STD'S AND DRUG ADDICTS THAT WILL GIVE HIM SOMETHING CALLED AN STD.
I KNOW I'M GOING TO START A FIGHT ON THIS ONE, SO FIRST PERSON TO SHOW ME IN PLAIN LANGUAGE WHERE IT SAYS 'SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE' GETS LUNCH ON ME.
GOOD LUCK. ALL IT STATES IS GOVT WILL NOT SUPPORT ONE RELIGION NOR PROHIBIT THE PRACTICE OF ANY RELIGION.
THE FUNNY THING IS TO THAT THE ENGLISH THAT FLED HAD SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BELIEFS.. BUT BOTH WERE CHRISTIAN.
THE WHOLE START WASN'T EVEN CHRISTIAN VS. MUSLIM.
WAKE UP AMERICA. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF.
YOU CAN TEACH MY KIDS WHAT A JOINT AND 8 BALL ARE, YOU BETTER BE TEACHING HIM ABOUT GOD AND DOING THE RIGHT THING.
DON'T TELL THE KID HOW TO USE A CONDOM, TELL HIM IT'S A SIN. HE SHOULD WAIT TILL HE GETS MARRIED. THAT THERE ARE STD'S AND DRUG ADDICTS THAT WILL GIVE HIM SOMETHING CALLED AN STD.
I KNOW I'M GOING TO START A FIGHT ON THIS ONE, SO FIRST PERSON TO SHOW ME IN PLAIN LANGUAGE WHERE IT SAYS 'SEPERATION OF CHURCH AND STATE' GETS LUNCH ON ME.
GOOD LUCK. ALL IT STATES IS GOVT WILL NOT SUPPORT ONE RELIGION NOR PROHIBIT THE PRACTICE OF ANY RELIGION.
THE FUNNY THING IS TO THAT THE ENGLISH THAT FLED HAD SLIGHTLY DIFFERENT BELIEFS.. BUT BOTH WERE CHRISTIAN.
THE WHOLE START WASN'T EVEN CHRISTIAN VS. MUSLIM.
WAKE UP AMERICA. TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR YOURSELF.
Deputy G. Carver posted on Tuesday, November 11th, 2008 at 4:11 pm
I know the truth. The Missouri State Highway Patrol supports DARE 110%. MSHP was the agency that oversaw DARE operations within the state and provided training for DARE Officers. Training was at the HQ Training Academy in Jefferson City and was a convenient central location within the state for officers to access. The facilities there are topnotch and training was professional and well done.
That all changed a few years ago when the state hit a budget crisis. Hiring freezes for state departments were in effect, layoffs in others, and reassignments for many positions. Many programs were being put on the back burner because of funding problems and a lack of manpower. DARE was one of those that suffered from the budget cuts. Not because it was ineffective. The Missouri Police Chiefs Association immediately picked up the DARE program to continue training and support. DARE in Missouri is stable, ongoing, and fully supported by the law enforcement community.
I make no claims that DARE is the answer to all the worlds problems. Find another program more effective and I'd gladly teach it.
That all changed a few years ago when the state hit a budget crisis. Hiring freezes for state departments were in effect, layoffs in others, and reassignments for many positions. Many programs were being put on the back burner because of funding problems and a lack of manpower. DARE was one of those that suffered from the budget cuts. Not because it was ineffective. The Missouri Police Chiefs Association immediately picked up the DARE program to continue training and support. DARE in Missouri is stable, ongoing, and fully supported by the law enforcement community.
I make no claims that DARE is the answer to all the worlds problems. Find another program more effective and I'd gladly teach it.
sublime_interpreter posted on Tuesday, November 11th, 2008 at 10:10 am
DEAR MR CARVER,
You of all people should already know the source. Call any Highway Patrol office and ask if they support the DARE program, they will inform you that even though they started the program in the state of Missouri they no longer do the Dare program. They have dropped it do to it being insufficient and failed. There's your source. Also, the Los Angeles Police Dept.(who ORIGINALLY started the DARE program)has dropped it do to it's ineffectiveness. They have even done studies showing this Fact. So, to sum it up why would the group who started DARE drop the program if they were not completely convinced that it has failed.
You of all people should already know the source. Call any Highway Patrol office and ask if they support the DARE program, they will inform you that even though they started the program in the state of Missouri they no longer do the Dare program. They have dropped it do to it being insufficient and failed. There's your source. Also, the Los Angeles Police Dept.(who ORIGINALLY started the DARE program)has dropped it do to it's ineffectiveness. They have even done studies showing this Fact. So, to sum it up why would the group who started DARE drop the program if they were not completely convinced that it has failed.
Deputy G. Carver posted on Monday, November 10th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
No sir, we are talking of health effects, behaviors, illegal activities and consequences. I agree that DARE cant replace parenting, and, of course it was never intended to do so. Many of the things I teach in DARE were taught to me by my parents and will be taught to my students by their parents. DARE is only a reinforcement of those facts to many of the students, but from the unique perspective of someone that has spent many years as a peace officer and has witnessed the tragic consequences of drug use. Sometimes for the students hearing the facts from someone else bolsters their parents stance for leading a drug free lifestyle. As has been pointed out below, some students do not have strong parenting to help guide them and be positive role models for them. I know my work in DARE has prevented teen suicides, self mutilation (cutting), experimentation with drugs, and violence between young people, squashed the beginnings of gangs, helped with various family crises, ect. Much of the good of DARE isnt in the lessons, it is found elsewhere.
mbser posted on Monday, November 10th, 2008 at 9:28 am
Could the restraint's for DARE'S curriculum be that educators have realized a greater need for basic curriculum. If they can teach sex and drug education within the school system then why not put the Bible and God back in the school's as well. We are talking about morals and personal beliefs that effect society arn't we?
Deputy G. Carver posted on Thursday, November 6th, 2008 at 8:21 pm
"Dare was dropped due to ciriculum restraints that made the program inneffective, a.k.a. failed program."
I forgot about this blog and was directed here yet again because of the statement in quotes above. You have made this incorrect and inaccurate statement several times. In particular you singled out Missouri in one of your post below. Respectfully, but to the point, you are wrong. Please cite a credible source that verifies your statement. You make the statement as if you know it as a fact, so please cite here your source for this assertion. Thank you for your time, Ill eagerly await your source for the statement.
I forgot about this blog and was directed here yet again because of the statement in quotes above. You have made this incorrect and inaccurate statement several times. In particular you singled out Missouri in one of your post below. Respectfully, but to the point, you are wrong. Please cite a credible source that verifies your statement. You make the statement as if you know it as a fact, so please cite here your source for this assertion. Thank you for your time, Ill eagerly await your source for the statement.
tiredofthebull posted on Tuesday, November 4th, 2008 at 7:27 am
Jeepster,
Instead of calling everyone wrong for calling everyone wrong, why dont you give us the real story????
If you know it. Dare was dropped due to ciriculum restraints that made the program inneffective, a.k.a. failed program.
I also strongly believe that my children do not need to see a picture of a joint to know that smoking anything is bad.
You tell the schools to worry about abc's and 123's, something a lot of them don't score the best on anyway.
I'll worry about my children's drug education.
Why doesn't institutionized drg learning work? I got a whole year of drugs and health education, then prmotly went out and tried it.
Guess what.. the program may scare a few kids, but like every group program, some will listen, some won't.
Instead of calling everyone wrong for calling everyone wrong, why dont you give us the real story????
If you know it. Dare was dropped due to ciriculum restraints that made the program inneffective, a.k.a. failed program.
I also strongly believe that my children do not need to see a picture of a joint to know that smoking anything is bad.
You tell the schools to worry about abc's and 123's, something a lot of them don't score the best on anyway.
I'll worry about my children's drug education.
Why doesn't institutionized drg learning work? I got a whole year of drugs and health education, then prmotly went out and tried it.
Guess what.. the program may scare a few kids, but like every group program, some will listen, some won't.
tj posted on Sunday, November 2nd, 2008 at 8:44 am
Tired of the bull:
No I did not. I learned about it in the numerous classes that I take to be able to keep my license. I am able to make an educated comment. I see that a few on here are not. So they just leave there little remarks about stuff they probably have no clue about. I refuse to get into a battle of words with the people that write on here. So this is the last comment you will see from me on this subject. Hope everyone has a great day.
No I did not. I learned about it in the numerous classes that I take to be able to keep my license. I am able to make an educated comment. I see that a few on here are not. So they just leave there little remarks about stuff they probably have no clue about. I refuse to get into a battle of words with the people that write on here. So this is the last comment you will see from me on this subject. Hope everyone has a great day.
jeepster posted on Saturday, November 1st, 2008 at 8:36 pm
Now, most importantly is Deputy Carver's interaction with his students. He cares about the kids and they know that. I personally know he has quietly and without fanfare bought footware and winter coats for kids. I know he has put money into kids lunch accounts so they didnt have to eat peanut butter sandwiches everyday for lunch.
Kids trust Deputy Carver and they confide things to him. Some terrible things, like various forms of abuse. I have seen the man sit and cry with kids as he held their hand while they told of horrible things that have happened to them and pleaded he do something to help them. I know he has prevented suicides because students came to him with their thoughts. I know of kids that confided they were cutters and asked for help. I also personally know of high school and middle school kids that told him of experimenting with drugs and asked for help to quit.
Carver keeps counselors in business getting kids professional help. He also has brought many a family together. THIS IS THE STRENGTH OF DARE!
Kids trust Deputy Carver and they confide things to him. Some terrible things, like various forms of abuse. I have seen the man sit and cry with kids as he held their hand while they told of horrible things that have happened to them and pleaded he do something to help them. I know he has prevented suicides because students came to him with their thoughts. I know of kids that confided they were cutters and asked for help. I also personally know of high school and middle school kids that told him of experimenting with drugs and asked for help to quit.
Carver keeps counselors in business getting kids professional help. He also has brought many a family together. THIS IS THE STRENGTH OF DARE!
jeepster posted on Saturday, November 1st, 2008 at 8:23 pm
Back with ya. Are kids curious? You bet that is why education is so important. Try to hide anything from a kid and theyll do their best to discover what and why you are hiding it. A kid would have to live in a bubble to not be exposed to drugs in todays world. Better they get factual information about the harmful effects from a professional and trusted source, rather than street corner myths from some addict or dealer. Much of the Health curriculum in the schools actually gives more information about the hows of, and to include pictures of some drugs, than the DARE curriculum does. The simple minded statements cause me to believe that common sense isnt so common anymore!
BTW, those statements about DARE being "dropped by Missouri as a failed program?" Wrong again, you really should understand that if you are going to make a statement like that you should have your facts straight. Some of you throw things out for the truth and hope it sticks. Know this, the rest of us will check you. Hang on...
BTW, those statements about DARE being "dropped by Missouri as a failed program?" Wrong again, you really should understand that if you are going to make a statement like that you should have your facts straight. Some of you throw things out for the truth and hope it sticks. Know this, the rest of us will check you. Hang on...
jeepster posted on Saturday, November 1st, 2008 at 8:17 pm
I work in the schools and have witnessed Deputy Carvers work in the schools for many years. I know of no one single person that has contributed more to the well being of the young people of this community than he has. The guy sincerely and genuinely cares about his students. Ill tell you more about that in a bit. But first
I am familiar with the DARE lessons; there isnt a single thing in there that teaches how to do drugs. Anyone that thinks a person will do drugs from taking a class like DARE is simply thinking illogically. Ive had many math classes, yet Im not a mathematician! That is the same line of thought and it just doesnt hold water.
I am familiar with the DARE lessons; there isnt a single thing in there that teaches how to do drugs. Anyone that thinks a person will do drugs from taking a class like DARE is simply thinking illogically. Ive had many math classes, yet Im not a mathematician! That is the same line of thought and it just doesnt hold water.
Zip Line posted on Friday, October 31st, 2008 at 5:05 pm
He has more answers that what is currently running. I guess you could say anybody with common sense does.
mbser posted on Friday, October 31st, 2008 at 3:49 pm
1975farmtownmissoura: ok, i will vote for tireofthebull especially since you didn't offer any answers like he or she did.
1975farmtownmissoura posted on Friday, October 31st, 2008 at 1:56 pm
Let's write in tiredofthebull on the ballot for president since he obviously has all the answers for which this country is searching...
Tired of people posted on Friday, October 31st, 2008 at 1:47 pm
I wonder how many of the people going on about DARE have drugs like Percocet and Vicodin and Morphine and Demerol in their home for chronic pain and Xana x and Ativan for "nerves" in their home? There are so many prescription drug addict hypocrits that go on about illegal addicts. I don't care one way or the other about writing tickets "to people going to work". I still have to point out - the fact has always been and will always be: if drivers do not drive faster than the speed limit, no tickets could be written, even if you were speeding in outer space. Part of personal responsibility. Also, the idea that DARE starts drug use is like saying going to school causes people to be stupid.
mbser posted on Friday, October 31st, 2008 at 12:32 pm
TJ - I see you still have dust on the brain. Try a little more dust spray.
tiredofthebull posted on Friday, October 31st, 2008 at 12:05 pm
TJ, did you learn about huffing computer cleaner in DARE????
tj posted on Friday, October 31st, 2008 at 10:30 am
I just sat here and read through all the posts on here. I just have a few comments.
1) Working in the field that I do I see the effects that drugs have on everyone in every aspect of life. From the wealthy to the very poor.
2) Do I think DARE made these people use drugs no I do not. Do I think that the DARE program along with parental involvement and community involvement can and will keep kids off drugs yes I do.
3) How many of you know that the spray that you use on your computer contains freon and by huffing it one time it can kill your child. I wish that the ones on here making these comments would call their childs school and see if you can sit in on a DARE class and see what they teach. My son went through it and my daughter is starting it. I know that it works and it is a great program.
Thank you officer Carver for everything that you do with the kids in school.
1) Working in the field that I do I see the effects that drugs have on everyone in every aspect of life. From the wealthy to the very poor.
2) Do I think DARE made these people use drugs no I do not. Do I think that the DARE program along with parental involvement and community involvement can and will keep kids off drugs yes I do.
3) How many of you know that the spray that you use on your computer contains freon and by huffing it one time it can kill your child. I wish that the ones on here making these comments would call their childs school and see if you can sit in on a DARE class and see what they teach. My son went through it and my daughter is starting it. I know that it works and it is a great program.
Thank you officer Carver for everything that you do with the kids in school.
mbser posted on Friday, October 31st, 2008 at 7:47 am
There is an underlying theme here:
Obama - Leadington's failed radar program - the failure of Dare = failure. Sincere in nature but full of misguidance.
Obama - Leadington's failed radar program - the failure of Dare = failure. Sincere in nature but full of misguidance.
tiredofthebull posted on Thursday, October 30th, 2008 at 7:19 am
I hear you MBSER... you know why Leadington uses Park Hills to hide?? they can't hide in their own town.. there isn't a driver in St. Francois, Washington, Ste. Gen and Iron and Madison counties that doesn't know you don't speed in Leadington...
Maybe next time we see them parked in Park Hills radaring, we should call the Highway Patrol.
Maybe next time we see them parked in Park Hills radaring, we should call the Highway Patrol.
bt_marine posted on Thursday, October 30th, 2008 at 6:26 am
I also wanted to say that if you teach kids yourself about why to not do drugs and they learn from you, attending a DARE class would just re-inforce what you've tought. If you're a parent that's addicted, teaching your child to not do drugs isn't very likely and the child will just see it as hypocritical anyways. The first step to teaching kids not to do drugs is to not be addicted to drugs yourself. DARE can't target the individuals who's parents are addicts and only teach them the negatives about doing drugs, so they teach classes instead. Unfortunatly, the addict parents of those kids probably didn't teach them respect or how to pay attention either, and that is why DARE is unsuccessful. If parents are bad parents, the only way to make the children successful is outside intervention no matter where it comes from. Hopefully, the help the child needs will be found before they are inside the prison system.
bt_marine posted on Thursday, October 30th, 2008 at 6:11 am
mbster- I'm not sure what you were looking at on the link you provided, but it appears to me that Jefferson County led in all 3 years that were posted.
In regards to DARE, I went through the program when I was in school. I thought the program was pretty worthless. I, and everyone I remember, didn't pay attention in class and thought of the DARE day as a day off. Whenever we had to do the "Role Playing", no one took it seriously. DARE didn't prevent me from doing drugs. The only thing that prevented me from becoming an addict is influence from my parents and seeing firsthand the results of frequent drug use. With those combined factors and my own good judgment, I've led a product and fulfilling life thus far drug free.
It's been commented a lot that DARE is a failed program. I agree. There's also been comments saying that nothing compares to parental intervention and I stand firm on that. I think the concept of DARE was built around the fact that some parents don't give the effort to talk to their kids about drugs so DARE would do it for them.
In regards to DARE, I went through the program when I was in school. I thought the program was pretty worthless. I, and everyone I remember, didn't pay attention in class and thought of the DARE day as a day off. Whenever we had to do the "Role Playing", no one took it seriously. DARE didn't prevent me from doing drugs. The only thing that prevented me from becoming an addict is influence from my parents and seeing firsthand the results of frequent drug use. With those combined factors and my own good judgment, I've led a product and fulfilling life thus far drug free.
It's been commented a lot that DARE is a failed program. I agree. There's also been comments saying that nothing compares to parental intervention and I stand firm on that. I think the concept of DARE was built around the fact that some parents don't give the effort to talk to their kids about drugs so DARE would do it for them.
mbser posted on Wednesday, October 29th, 2008 at 8:57 am
DARE seems to go along with other failed government programs like Leadington's failed radar program. I thought the overpass on HWY 67 by Hefner's was in Park Hills. So, why does Leadington sit in Park Hills, run radar and stop speeders from the county who finally drive into Leadington by Sam Scism Ford? Maybe they need a good sketch artist who can draw them a map of their city.
mbser posted on Wednesday, October 29th, 2008 at 8:19 am
the following link from mo hwy patrol provides county by county meth lab seizure data for the last several years. until last year, st.francois county led the nation by a land slide. the links are on the right side of the page by date.
http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/MSHPWeb/DevelopersPages/DDCC/methLabDisclaimer.html#
why are so many young people (17 - 30) arrested every day for various narcotics? wonder if their interest was sparked by DARE? this would be the right age group. prodigies of failure!
http://www.mshp.dps.mo.gov/MSHPWeb/DevelopersPages/DDCC/methLabDisclaimer.html#
why are so many young people (17 - 30) arrested every day for various narcotics? wonder if their interest was sparked by DARE? this would be the right age group. prodigies of failure!
sublime_interpreter posted on Wednesday, October 29th, 2008 at 3:14 am
I'm not saying you have to get rid of the DARE program just Keep DARE out of our schools. For those who think DARE is soooo great let them go through the program/class WITH their kids on their own time. There are too many more important lessons for our children to be learning in school to take up their valuable (tax paid)education with a program that is NOT approved by the state and there for does not belong in the schools.
sublime_interpreter posted on Wednesday, October 29th, 2008 at 3:00 am
To all of you miss guided people who think DARE is SO wonderful. I am sorry to be the one to inform you that the youth of today are not stupid especially teenagers. They are prone to trying new things and what better way to learn what kind of high they can get from what drug then to take a lesson from the officers teaching the DARE program under the pretense of "I want to learn to say no". Television, movies, even their parents and teachers have taught them to manipulate and "work" the system to get what they want. Politicians aren't the only ones who lie and tell you what you want to hear to get the result they want. We all do it and if you say you don't you must be a saint or GOD. Don't fool yourselves people kids today are smart and much more manipulative then we give them credit for. They are not afraid of the consequences or getting caught. DARE IS A FAILED AND DANGEROUS PROGRAM TO HAVE IN OUR SCHOOLS.
raiderman posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 7:27 pm
Deputy Carver is a great man who really wants to help kids make the right decisions.
Many government programs are well-intentioned....but are not successful.
Much of the money thrown at educating our kids is a waste...though well-intentioned. Programs are not the answer. Good teachers and good parents are the answer and the only answer in education.
Great parents have kids who get in trouble and make bad decisions. Great kids have bad parents.
Be good role models, spend time with your kids, discipline them, have high expectations for them, be involved in their education, pray for them, pray for yourself as a parent....about all you can do.....it will increase the odds but will not guarantee anything.
I think about all the money we have been taxed to pay for wasteful government programs that look good on paper....programs that do nothing but propaganda is used to make them sound good...and now we are about to have a liberal President and Congress who are selling Americans on the idea that government can solve all of their problems.
God help us all!
Many government programs are well-intentioned....but are not successful.
Much of the money thrown at educating our kids is a waste...though well-intentioned. Programs are not the answer. Good teachers and good parents are the answer and the only answer in education.
Great parents have kids who get in trouble and make bad decisions. Great kids have bad parents.
Be good role models, spend time with your kids, discipline them, have high expectations for them, be involved in their education, pray for them, pray for yourself as a parent....about all you can do.....it will increase the odds but will not guarantee anything.
I think about all the money we have been taxed to pay for wasteful government programs that look good on paper....programs that do nothing but propaganda is used to make them sound good...and now we are about to have a liberal President and Congress who are selling Americans on the idea that government can solve all of their problems.
God help us all!
tiredofthebull posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
mbser.. thanks for the map.... i gotta agree with joe63640...
I wish you could break it down by town in our county... you always read about park hills and desloge finging them.. not lately.. maybe they've run them all outta town...
Then again, they are about the only 2 towns that aren't sitting on the highway trying to write tickets to people going to work...
I wish you could break it down by town in our county... you always read about park hills and desloge finging them.. not lately.. maybe they've run them all outta town...
Then again, they are about the only 2 towns that aren't sitting on the highway trying to write tickets to people going to work...
tiredofthebull posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 3:19 pm
readthinkwrite - i can agree with that..
While I don't question the integrety of Deputy Carver (most cops are darn good people), I do believe the program is a bust..
I must state though that a majority of government programs are poorly designed, usually a way for someone to get camera time in the name of a good cause...
To mom of 3 - I hope you are doing more than letting DARE be the sole educator in your childrens drug education. Drug use reduction starts in the home, not the schools.
Parents don't do enough these days. I do agree that for many kids, that's all they get, and it's not enough.
Parents, please discuss these things with your kids.. if you make family time every night, the kids will listen...
Don't rely on the schools and government to teach your children how to behave....
While I don't question the integrety of Deputy Carver (most cops are darn good people), I do believe the program is a bust..
I must state though that a majority of government programs are poorly designed, usually a way for someone to get camera time in the name of a good cause...
To mom of 3 - I hope you are doing more than letting DARE be the sole educator in your childrens drug education. Drug use reduction starts in the home, not the schools.
Parents don't do enough these days. I do agree that for many kids, that's all they get, and it's not enough.
Parents, please discuss these things with your kids.. if you make family time every night, the kids will listen...
Don't rely on the schools and government to teach your children how to behave....
momof32008 posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 2:10 pm
As a parent I think that DARE is a good program. I think that it is sometimes the only information about the affects of harmful drugs that some children recieve. Think about all of these students who's parents are drug addicts and they live with seeing this everyday. Do you think these parents are teaching their kids to say no to drugs. It is our responsibillity As parents to be teaching our kids the effects and how bad drugs are in our society. But officer Carver spends a lot of time trying to better our children and were gonna slap him in the face by saying he or Dare is the cause of someone's child taking drugs. If this program stopped one child in a year from doing drugs that is one less child we have to bury. The mentallity of this comment area comes along the same focus as me saying, that my child was influenced by smoky the bear and burned down my house.
mbser posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
to joe_63640
i agree with a lot of what you have to say. meth is s problem period!
to notthatone
i think carver is very sincere in what he does. just because he is sincere, doesn't justify the program. the program is sincerely wrong.
again, why did california....who started DARE, drop it? why did missouir drop it? hmmmmm wonder why???
i agree with a lot of what you have to say. meth is s problem period!
to notthatone
i think carver is very sincere in what he does. just because he is sincere, doesn't justify the program. the program is sincerely wrong.
again, why did california....who started DARE, drop it? why did missouir drop it? hmmmmm wonder why???
notthatone posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 1:12 pm
have know Officer Carver for years, I truly believe that he is sincere in his work with DARE. I have 3 children that have taken part of the DARE Program and they haven't ever been involved with drugs. Was it the program or was it my constant watching over my kids and their friends. I would like to think it was both. Dare helps the young children to be aware of Drugs and all 3 have came home and talked about the program. This has allowed me to expand on why drug abuse and addition is bad.
This program may not be the smartest use of state money, but it surely isn't the worse either. Will it stop kids from experimenting with drugs, not likely. With the amount of pressure on our children today its a wonder that they all don't turn to drugs or alcohol. Best advice I give my children now that they have their own children is to Talk, Listen and be involved with every minute of their life, and most importantly not only tell them you Love them but show them that you really do.
This program may not be the smartest use of state money, but it surely isn't the worse either. Will it stop kids from experimenting with drugs, not likely. With the amount of pressure on our children today its a wonder that they all don't turn to drugs or alcohol. Best advice I give my children now that they have their own children is to Talk, Listen and be involved with every minute of their life, and most importantly not only tell them you Love them but show them that you really do.
readthinkwrite posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 12:59 pm
To Tired of the Bull:
You should run...Although I don't agree with everything you say, I DO agree that people should take responsiblity for their actions and stop blaming everyone for all their problems. In this case, however, I still believe that DARE is a good program, and that it does try to keep kids off drugs. It is not meant to be a substitute for a parents responsibility to keep kids off drugs....just give kids facts. I guess we'll just agree to disagree.
You should run...Although I don't agree with everything you say, I DO agree that people should take responsiblity for their actions and stop blaming everyone for all their problems. In this case, however, I still believe that DARE is a good program, and that it does try to keep kids off drugs. It is not meant to be a substitute for a parents responsibility to keep kids off drugs....just give kids facts. I guess we'll just agree to disagree.
joe_63640 posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 12:45 pm
Skippy,
Thank you...VERY cool data.
I've bookmarked that page.
But, you're saying that the count of Meth Lab BUSTS is the highest here.
I think that's a good thing, don't we *want* Cops taking out labs? Higher numbers mean less production getting through.
The data I showed was how many people had been messed up by Meth, basically, the number of victims,and Missouri is on the radar but nowhere near the top 10.
As inept as *some* of our rural law enforcement may seem, they're doing a pretty good job taking down labs - more than any other state.
Perhaps it's because we don't have the big-city violent crime here, that allows them to focus on this.
I agree, DARE misses this one, a well-intentioned idea -'drug prevention' - problem is, it just doesn't really hold up in the real world.
I wonder how many of those 1,200 Lab Busts were DARE graduates?...
Thanks for the info and post...!
Thank you...VERY cool data.
I've bookmarked that page.
But, you're saying that the count of Meth Lab BUSTS is the highest here.
I think that's a good thing, don't we *want* Cops taking out labs? Higher numbers mean less production getting through.
The data I showed was how many people had been messed up by Meth, basically, the number of victims,and Missouri is on the radar but nowhere near the top 10.
As inept as *some* of our rural law enforcement may seem, they're doing a pretty good job taking down labs - more than any other state.
Perhaps it's because we don't have the big-city violent crime here, that allows them to focus on this.
I agree, DARE misses this one, a well-intentioned idea -'drug prevention' - problem is, it just doesn't really hold up in the real world.
I wonder how many of those 1,200 Lab Busts were DARE graduates?...
Thanks for the info and post...!
tiredofthebull posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
Now for your 2nd post... regarding my employment....
First, how do you know if I have a job or not????
2nd, am I playing devil's advocate or am I truly frustrated with the amount of crap that my tax dollars pay for....
3rd... America needs to wake up off of their collective rear end, pull their noses off of Obama's rear end and take a good look at what they are about to do to the country...
Too many handouts.. what else can you do while on welfare.. sit around, smoke dope, play xbox, and don't worry the govt will pay your bills.. now they will get you healthcare as well..
heck.. sign me up...
It's not DARE that keeps people off drugs.. good hard working families that raise the children right..
For the record, I have a good job, pay for my own benefits out of my check, and contribute to society...
I'll forgive you though.. you didn't read or think before you wrote.. but we are all human and therefore entitied to make a mistake now and then.
First, how do you know if I have a job or not????
2nd, am I playing devil's advocate or am I truly frustrated with the amount of crap that my tax dollars pay for....
3rd... America needs to wake up off of their collective rear end, pull their noses off of Obama's rear end and take a good look at what they are about to do to the country...
Too many handouts.. what else can you do while on welfare.. sit around, smoke dope, play xbox, and don't worry the govt will pay your bills.. now they will get you healthcare as well..
heck.. sign me up...
It's not DARE that keeps people off drugs.. good hard working families that raise the children right..
For the record, I have a good job, pay for my own benefits out of my check, and contribute to society...
I'll forgive you though.. you didn't read or think before you wrote.. but we are all human and therefore entitied to make a mistake now and then.
tiredofthebull posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
Read think write.. man, this is the 2nd time.. do what your name states...
First, i've been asked to run for a politicial position before.. haven't made my mind up, but I do know that most people would not like my views.. i.e. personal responsibility is the key to living a successful and wholesome life...
Don't blame the govt, don't ask for handouts.. get a darn job and work for a living.
Never been to a dare class.. never will and dont use drugs.. I don't need a class.. i'll take care of my kids as well...
While I'm confident in my abilities to raise a good kid, in the end it goes back to personal responsibility and free will..
It's ultimatly up to him how he chooses to life his life..
First, i've been asked to run for a politicial position before.. haven't made my mind up, but I do know that most people would not like my views.. i.e. personal responsibility is the key to living a successful and wholesome life...
Don't blame the govt, don't ask for handouts.. get a darn job and work for a living.
Never been to a dare class.. never will and dont use drugs.. I don't need a class.. i'll take care of my kids as well...
While I'm confident in my abilities to raise a good kid, in the end it goes back to personal responsibility and free will..
It's ultimatly up to him how he chooses to life his life..
readthinkwrite posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 11:32 am
To Tired of the Bull:
It's a shame that you don't have a job. You could really put some of your ideas to use. You actually have such a passion to play the devil's advocate. You need to get into politics....law maybe?
It's a shame that you don't have a job. You could really put some of your ideas to use. You actually have such a passion to play the devil's advocate. You need to get into politics....law maybe?
mbser posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 11:27 am
sorry joe_63640, your wrong.
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/map_lab_seizures.html
missouri is by far the worst....no thanks to DARE!!!
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/map_lab_seizures.html
missouri is by far the worst....no thanks to DARE!!!
readthinkwrite posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 11:19 am
To Tired of the Bull:
I never stated that you don't have a right to an opinion on DARE. I stated that you need to be INFORMED to make such a statement, especially if you've never sat thru a class! Why don't you spend some of the countless hours that you have (Obviously by how much time you spend posting,) and speak with Carver, and set in on a DARE class. Then you can go spouting off (Like you always do) about whatever the topic of conversation is! And by the way, I think I have the right to comment because I've sat thru 12 years of DARE classes...How many have you sat thru?
I never stated that you don't have a right to an opinion on DARE. I stated that you need to be INFORMED to make such a statement, especially if you've never sat thru a class! Why don't you spend some of the countless hours that you have (Obviously by how much time you spend posting,) and speak with Carver, and set in on a DARE class. Then you can go spouting off (Like you always do) about whatever the topic of conversation is! And by the way, I think I have the right to comment because I've sat thru 12 years of DARE classes...How many have you sat thru?
flutterby posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 11:15 am
This happened to me~ I was glad to see this in the paper. There was a lady who literally walked me to my car with a cd, wanting me to have my child's id put on file.
And Mbser, blame yourself. Obviously you failed as a parent.
And Mbser, blame yourself. Obviously you failed as a parent.
joe_63640 posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 11:03 am
TiredOfTheBull;
I'm gonna have to call you on this one:
You said "Missouri, and espceially St. Francois County are one of the worst (statistical) locations for the meth problem in the United States"
You're wrong. VERY wrong.
In a major Urban (think L.A.) area, where automatic weapons fire on a crowded street is fairly routine,
a Meth lab arrest is nothing.
Out here , a guy running two stop signs in one day is a crime wave. A Meth Lab bust is BIG news.
Missouri is *not even in the top 10*.
Proof can be found at:
http://oas.samhsa.gov/2k8/stateMethamphetamineTX/methamphetamines.pdf
As far as DARE goes, like so many well-intended Gov't programs, its greatest weakness is failing to evolve with the times, in becoming so mired in PC speech, that the message is lost in rhetoric.
The message is simple; do drugs, and your life will go down the toilet, sooner or later.
As a former West Coast resident, I can tell you that the Meth problem here is real, and needs fixing, but could be much much worse.
- just my $0.02
I'm gonna have to call you on this one:
You said "Missouri, and espceially St. Francois County are one of the worst (statistical) locations for the meth problem in the United States"
You're wrong. VERY wrong.
In a major Urban (think L.A.) area, where automatic weapons fire on a crowded street is fairly routine,
a Meth lab arrest is nothing.
Out here , a guy running two stop signs in one day is a crime wave. A Meth Lab bust is BIG news.
Missouri is *not even in the top 10*.
Proof can be found at:
http://oas.samhsa.gov/2k8/stateMethamphetamineTX/methamphetamines.pdf
As far as DARE goes, like so many well-intended Gov't programs, its greatest weakness is failing to evolve with the times, in becoming so mired in PC speech, that the message is lost in rhetoric.
The message is simple; do drugs, and your life will go down the toilet, sooner or later.
As a former West Coast resident, I can tell you that the Meth problem here is real, and needs fixing, but could be much much worse.
- just my $0.02
mbser posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 10:42 am
DARE is rooted in trash psychology. Psychotherapist Ellen Maslow called DARE "nonsense" in 1996, saying the program represented widespread misinterpretation of humanistic psychology. DARES central focus self esteem by using humanistic psychology has led to narcissism and self-indulgence amongst our children.
Richard H. Blum at Stanford University School of Medicine stated Basically, we have found again and again that drug education in schools causes kids to take on drugs and alcohol sooner than they would without the education .
Bill Colson, the world-renowned psychologist who co-authored 17 books with the late Carl Rogers, former president of the American Psychological Association stated "As they get a little older, they become very curious about these drugs they've learned about from police officers. The kids start thinking, 'I don't want to say no.' Then they say, 'Didn't that police officer tell me it's my perfect right to choose?' And thus, they choose to experiment."
Richard H. Blum at Stanford University School of Medicine stated Basically, we have found again and again that drug education in schools causes kids to take on drugs and alcohol sooner than they would without the education .
Bill Colson, the world-renowned psychologist who co-authored 17 books with the late Carl Rogers, former president of the American Psychological Association stated "As they get a little older, they become very curious about these drugs they've learned about from police officers. The kids start thinking, 'I don't want to say no.' Then they say, 'Didn't that police officer tell me it's my perfect right to choose?' And thus, they choose to experiment."
tiredofthebull posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 8:50 am
While I'm on a roll, the last time I looked, your POST certification isn't centered around psychology as much as rules, laws, techniques, etc...
When did they get their teaching certificate???
Statistics prove the program doesn't work...
When did roleplaying ever make you change your behaviors???? Can anyone HONESTLY answer that one???
Missouri, and espceially St. Francois County are one of the worst (statistical) locations for the meth problem in the United States. It continiues to get worse... DARE is working great.
There are drugs everywhere... I have been offered in walmart parking lots... DARE is working great..
You want kids off drugs?? Get rid of idle time. Be good parents. Stess values and morals.. things 75% of this country has no clue about anymore..
It's all me, me, me, xbox, me, me, mcdonalds and my big screen, me, me, me.....
This country has thrown itself into the gutter with our big cars, huge houses, fancy clothes..
We worry about the wrong things...
America needs to wake up, and DARE didn't work.
When did they get their teaching certificate???
Statistics prove the program doesn't work...
When did roleplaying ever make you change your behaviors???? Can anyone HONESTLY answer that one???
Missouri, and espceially St. Francois County are one of the worst (statistical) locations for the meth problem in the United States. It continiues to get worse... DARE is working great.
There are drugs everywhere... I have been offered in walmart parking lots... DARE is working great..
You want kids off drugs?? Get rid of idle time. Be good parents. Stess values and morals.. things 75% of this country has no clue about anymore..
It's all me, me, me, xbox, me, me, mcdonalds and my big screen, me, me, me.....
This country has thrown itself into the gutter with our big cars, huge houses, fancy clothes..
We worry about the wrong things...
America needs to wake up, and DARE didn't work.
tiredofthebull posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 8:43 am
readthinkwrite - question.... why does someone have NO RIGHT to make a comment about a program they consider to be failed?
Wasn't our country founded on the ideals and principals that every man is free? We are allowed to speak what we wish? Wasn't one of the founding principals the right to life, liberty and happiness???
What makes you think you have the authority to make such a statement???
To keep going, why must someone make a comment only to the police?? Obviously, in his case the program failed. Maybe he has talked to the people at the program and they didn't have much to say???
According to Deputy Carver, they are teaching complex behavioral programs as well as 'Just say no' to the kids.. maybe it doesn't work because child psychology courses aren't included in the POST certification..
Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't give you the right to inflict a socialist/police state on them.......
Wasn't our country founded on the ideals and principals that every man is free? We are allowed to speak what we wish? Wasn't one of the founding principals the right to life, liberty and happiness???
What makes you think you have the authority to make such a statement???
To keep going, why must someone make a comment only to the police?? Obviously, in his case the program failed. Maybe he has talked to the people at the program and they didn't have much to say???
According to Deputy Carver, they are teaching complex behavioral programs as well as 'Just say no' to the kids.. maybe it doesn't work because child psychology courses aren't included in the POST certification..
Just because you don't agree with someone doesn't give you the right to inflict a socialist/police state on them.......
mbser posted on Tuesday, October 28th, 2008 at 8:21 am
sorry to inform the ill informed but i gotta tell ya, curiosity killed the cat! teach a teen what drugs will do and your gonna spark a fire of interest. wanna help the drug problem, then deal with the real problem like go after the dopers on the street and in their homes. placing a band aide on a gaping wound is ludicrous! DARE failed! even the dense headed legislators recognized it and removed the failed program from the Missouri HWY Patrol. i would take a good School Resource Officer any day over a gimmick like DARE! DARE was never designed to do anything other than bring glory to the HWY Patrol who even recognized it's failure, why do you think they didn't fight to keep it? no brainer people, wake up!
fgtnresident posted on Monday, October 27th, 2008 at 8:11 pm
It is not the responsibility of the school or any program to teach my children right from wrong. It is mine as their parent. You can't blame DARE for any person being in prison. I am very grateful for any prgram out there that will help reinforce what I've taught my children. Unfortunately there are way too many people that rely on the schools to babysit. And as an employee of the DOC, I've seen a lot of people come from a "church going family" and still are in prison. Actions and decisions are what will get you into prison.
anomalouspropagation posted on Monday, October 27th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
You HAVE the RIGHT to say anything, but it SHOULD be educated. I DID "disenroll" for my children however, seeing how the other 99.99% didn't my 2nd grader came home and asked about "marisoumthing"? Thanks alot-we just taught them not to SMOKE period! Shots only come from Doctors and PILLS are given to you by MOM and DAD. Powder-that is for feet and sore butts. Deputy Carver, or whoever pointed this thread out to him, how about throwing some of those statistics about the increase of usage, proliferation throughout society, numbers incarcerated and "longterm research and proven teaching techniques" at us uneducated ones. DARE just isn't cutting the mustard although I would agree it is better than nothing for most young ones-but not mine! To MBSR-it is not DARE's fault nor yours-it is the one who did the behavior-they chose, not you. Unfortunately, many try drugs, some get hooked and others get lucky. The unlucky ones die, go to jail etc. The lucky ones lose jobs, divorce but live.
tiredofthebull posted on Monday, October 27th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
Deputy Carver - if it was so carefully constructed, why did Missouri drop the program? Why is St. Francois county the worst place for meth....
Maybe you are right, maybe the program works, but the cops didn't know how to teach????
From what you describe, there aren't many psychologists that could teach such an extensive course.. are you suggesting that law enforcement academy even begins to give you the tools to teach such a course????
The program is a miserable failure... States across the USA have dropped it because of so...
The ONLY way to curb drug abuse by kids will be real parental involvement, good family values, and a little God...
Not Dare, not the cops, not anything else..
Progress has its good and its evil.. idle hands will wander..
Maybe you are right, maybe the program works, but the cops didn't know how to teach????
From what you describe, there aren't many psychologists that could teach such an extensive course.. are you suggesting that law enforcement academy even begins to give you the tools to teach such a course????
The program is a miserable failure... States across the USA have dropped it because of so...
The ONLY way to curb drug abuse by kids will be real parental involvement, good family values, and a little God...
Not Dare, not the cops, not anything else..
Progress has its good and its evil.. idle hands will wander..
readthinkwrite posted on Monday, October 27th, 2008 at 2:56 pm
Like I stated earlier.....You have NO RIGHT to make a comment about the DARE program, or use it as an excuse as to why your child is locked up in the pen, unless you play an active role in the program. If you want more information, then contact Officer Carver, the police, or another educator to then make an EDUCATED comment.
Deputy G. Carver posted on Monday, October 27th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
mbser...
I dont normally read through this stuff, but this was pointed out to me and I could not let it go unchallenged. What an absolutely ludicrous statement! Obviously you are looking for a scapegoat to blame for your sons failures. I feel sympathy for your situation, but you must look elsewhere for the real causes of your sons present predicament and accept responsibilities where they fall. D.A.R.E. does not teach all about drugs or methods to do drugs, ect.
D.A.R.E. teaches the harmful effects of drugs and ways to resist the various social and peer pressures to do them. D.A.R.E. teaches about the physical threat and damage drugs do to the body. D.A.R.E. teaches consequences, decision making, and responsibility. D.A.R.E. students study and then role play ways to avoid situations involving drugs and ways for them to responsibly be in charge of themselves. D.A.R.E. students gain an understanding of social pressures pressed on them through advertisements and mainstream media. The curriculum has been carefully assembled by the leading health care and educational advisors in this country based on long term research and proven teaching techniques.
I dont normally read through this stuff, but this was pointed out to me and I could not let it go unchallenged. What an absolutely ludicrous statement! Obviously you are looking for a scapegoat to blame for your sons failures. I feel sympathy for your situation, but you must look elsewhere for the real causes of your sons present predicament and accept responsibilities where they fall. D.A.R.E. does not teach all about drugs or methods to do drugs, ect.
D.A.R.E. teaches the harmful effects of drugs and ways to resist the various social and peer pressures to do them. D.A.R.E. teaches about the physical threat and damage drugs do to the body. D.A.R.E. teaches consequences, decision making, and responsibility. D.A.R.E. students study and then role play ways to avoid situations involving drugs and ways for them to responsibly be in charge of themselves. D.A.R.E. students gain an understanding of social pressures pressed on them through advertisements and mainstream media. The curriculum has been carefully assembled by the leading health care and educational advisors in this country based on long term research and proven teaching techniques.
elliott posted on Monday, October 27th, 2008 at 1:13 pm
To mbser:
Are you kidding me? You are blaming your childs faults on DARE? That has to be the best excuse I've seen lately. lol How about taking some self responsibility there. Did you forget to teach your child the difference between right and wrong? The difference between breaking the law and obeying it?
Oh, and just because you are a "church going family" doesn't mean your children will be free from drugs. That's just another excuse you can use for him.
Are you kidding me? You are blaming your childs faults on DARE? That has to be the best excuse I've seen lately. lol How about taking some self responsibility there. Did you forget to teach your child the difference between right and wrong? The difference between breaking the law and obeying it?
Oh, and just because you are a "church going family" doesn't mean your children will be free from drugs. That's just another excuse you can use for him.
readthinkwrite posted on Monday, October 27th, 2008 at 1:06 pm
mbser:
Are you kidding me????? You're blaming DARE on your child being in prison? That's hilarious!!! If you didn't want him participating in DARE, than why didn't you go and pull him out of the program at the school?????Take some responsibility!!!!!!!!!!!! Quit blaming everyone else!
Are you kidding me????? You're blaming DARE on your child being in prison? That's hilarious!!! If you didn't want him participating in DARE, than why didn't you go and pull him out of the program at the school?????Take some responsibility!!!!!!!!!!!! Quit blaming everyone else!
mbser posted on Monday, October 27th, 2008 at 8:31 am
my son is in the state penitentiary thanks to DARE!! our family has always been a church going family and have tried to teach our children good morals but my son was taught all about drugs by DARE and now look at him, he is in prison! guess we should have sent our children to private school, at least they would have been safe from DARE!
ebg posted on Monday, October 27th, 2008 at 7:08 am
tiredofthebull -
I am with you on this one. If Obama wins the election, and he probably will, as much as you and I don't like it; let's jump on that bandwagon he wants to get rollin' and help him out. Let him spend all of those tax dollars he's gonna be collectin' on us. After he takes the money out of our pocket, we'll probably qualify for all of the welfare programs he wants to start or reinstate and it's only right that we get some of our money back. Dems are the ones who don't want to solve the problem. They want to treat the symptom and ignore the problem as usual. Let's help them reach their goal of a welfare dependent America.
I could use some time on the X-Box and free soda, chips and cigarettes.
I am with you on this one. If Obama wins the election, and he probably will, as much as you and I don't like it; let's jump on that bandwagon he wants to get rollin' and help him out. Let him spend all of those tax dollars he's gonna be collectin' on us. After he takes the money out of our pocket, we'll probably qualify for all of the welfare programs he wants to start or reinstate and it's only right that we get some of our money back. Dems are the ones who don't want to solve the problem. They want to treat the symptom and ignore the problem as usual. Let's help them reach their goal of a welfare dependent America.
I could use some time on the X-Box and free soda, chips and cigarettes.
tiredofthebull posted on Sunday, October 26th, 2008 at 10:54 pm
I wanted to give money to dare today.. but they werne't at walmart.... anyone know where they went to?
anomalouspropagation posted on Sunday, October 26th, 2008 at 8:12 pm
Fortunately you don't have to teach kids about drugs the way DARE has with the immersion theory. Thanks to that program my kids know more about drugs than they ever needed to know. I never learned about neurotoxins but I stay away from snakes. Now my kids remind me when cleaning my computer, taking medicine, etc that I need to be careful because "they" can be used as drugs. I can't wait for the kids screening of Debbie Does Dallas so we can sit down and have that birds and the bees talk. Sheez. Talk about assinine. But hey, I am really happy that they know Dextromethorphine, spelling error, is a hullucinogenic at high enough levels and they even now know what cough syrups contain them. Yeah, DARE does EDUCATE them, not the way we really want them educated though. Anyone want to teach the kids about homosexuals and racism? I know a couple of cool movies to let them watch along with the DARE material, Sex ED movies etc. No thanks, we will do it ourselves!
tiredofthebull posted on Saturday, October 25th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
mbser - I've always been a conservative, but lately, with the way things are going, i'm joining the bleeding heart crowd.. if they don't have to work, why should I??? Give me my welfare check and let's play some Xbox.....
Zip Line posted on Saturday, October 25th, 2008 at 12:20 pm
DARE will never work, people look at the schools as a babysitting service. Most parents don't care about their children, they just want them out of their way. Just remember children are a reflection of their parents. Dirt bag kids......Dirt bag parents.
mbser posted on Friday, October 24th, 2008 at 9:28 pm
wah wah wah i am so sick and tired of the bleeding heart government fix everything for me people who think that the schools are a drug free haven for children. bah humbug!
glendahks - hit it right on the head. grow up, get a life, quit relying on good ole government ( especially DARE ) to fix anything - it's not gonna happen!
glendahks - hit it right on the head. grow up, get a life, quit relying on good ole government ( especially DARE ) to fix anything - it's not gonna happen!
tiredofthebull posted on Friday, October 24th, 2008 at 9:21 pm
Why is it if DARE has failed, the Bonne Terre police didn't find any drugs at the high school?????
mperry posted on Friday, October 24th, 2008 at 7:34 pm
Americangirl....AMEN!!! I have had 4 kids in school, 2 now in their twenties and 2 now in their teens and DARE has been fantastic program with them all. They really make kids think, and parents. For mbser and sublime...drugs were just as or more so prevalent before DARE. Keep up the good work to all the officers that are truly dedicated to helping lives. God bless you all.
omg33 posted on Friday, October 24th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
I as a taxpayer feel that if it helps keep one child away from drugs it is worth every second and every penny.Also talk to your own kids about drugs you better believe other people are.
AMERICANGIRL posted on Friday, October 24th, 2008 at 3:43 pm
sublime and mbser
get off of your high horse. I am so sick of listening to nothing but negative remarks out of people like you. DARE hasn't failed, the parents have. Maybe if your child is drug dependent, you should look within your own walls for the source of the problem and quit blaming everyone but yourselves.
get off of your high horse. I am so sick of listening to nothing but negative remarks out of people like you. DARE hasn't failed, the parents have. Maybe if your child is drug dependent, you should look within your own walls for the source of the problem and quit blaming everyone but yourselves.
glendahks posted on Friday, October 24th, 2008 at 3:34 pm
I WISH MISSOURI WOULD DROP ALL OF ITS FAILED PROGRAMS, LIKE WELFARE AND ALL OF THE OTHER FREE MONEY PROGRAMS GOING AROUND FOR PEOPLE THAT DON'T GET OUT OF BED BEFORE NOON.
readthinkwrite posted on Friday, October 24th, 2008 at 3:25 pm
I'm sorry, but unless you're in a classroom observing D.A.R.E class, you have no right to judge. Officer Carver is wonderful with the students in my classroom. If we had more parents who watched their children more closely, THEN maybe we wouldn't have this much of a drug problem in our schools. But of course, it's always someone else who is at fault...the schools, now the D.A.R.E officer, etc. Keep up the good work Officer Carver!
sublime_interpreter posted on Friday, October 24th, 2008 at 11:12 am
If DARE were so successful, then why are drugs so prevalent within our school system? DARE has been dropped by so many states including Missouri because of it's blatant failure. It is a waste of time and tax dollars.
mbser posted on Friday, October 24th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Now that's the pot calling the kettle black!! How dare D.A.R.E. make such an accusatory statement! A failed program accusing a failed program of failing! Ironic isn't it?!
snl210 posted on Friday, October 24th, 2008 at 10:21 am
I'm glad he was able to clear this up. Those people are crazy! They yell at people from across the parking lot trying to get them to come to their table. And to do all of this under false pretenses is just wrong, especially claiming to be for such a valuable, noble, local organization. These stores should NOT allow these people back!


This article was started by a group illictly using the cover of a known group that teaches children something to collect money... for what purpose??
Where did this group learn this? Why are they dishonest? Why did they dissapear once discovered?
It goes to the basic things you are taught growing up and how they were raised.
Basically, it's the basics of what's right and wrong in the world. Teach it to your kids.
Speaking of right and wrong, Carver - regardless of my opinion of DARE, thank you for at least caring enough to try to do something for the kids.