Bismarck fire truck damaged in accident
Icy roads cause several accidents around county
Icy roads Tuesday led to several accidents including one involving a Bismarck fire truck and generated a warning from the Missouri Department of Transportation (MoDOT).
By late morning, callers were reporting icy conditions on Route OO and in Ste. Genevieve County. MoDOT workers had been out early in the morning pretreating state roads in response to predictions of freezing rain. As the precipitation arrived, roads quickly became slick and motorists began experiencing difficulties.
The department issued an advisory to motorists to use extreme caution while driving on any paved surface, especially on bridges and overpasses where air travels underneath and makes the road’s surface even colder.
Bismarck’s new fire truck was damaged after it slid off the road while responding to a call Tuesday morning.
Bismarck Fire Chief Steve Dickey said firefighters were responding to a vehicle accident on Route N near Trap Rock. He said the driver was driving cautiously because the road was slick. The truck lost traction and slid off the road into a ditch, and ended up resting on the passenger side.
Dickey said no one was hurt and other firefighters continued to the accident call, which turned out to be a non-injury accident.
A tow truck pulled the fire truck out. Dickey said it is now at the fire house, but it is out of service. An insurance adjuster will be down in a few days to look at it.
Dickey said it looks bad but they won’t know the extent of the damage until after the adjuster looks at it. There is damage to the front and passenger side.
He said one of their reserve trucks was put back in service until the new truck is fixed. The new truck does have full coverage by insurance.
The rural fire department just got the 2008 Pearce truck in March. Before that their newest truck was a 1987 model that belongs to the city. They were able to get the truck with a U.S. Homeland Security grant.
Before warmer temperatures in the afternoon melted the icy roads, the Missouri Highway Patrol responded to several accidents, including a rollover on U.S. 67.
Highway Patrol reports provide the following information about Tuesday’s accidents.
Two accidents occurred five minutes apart on U.S. 67. The first occurred at 9:40 a.m., .5 mile south of Route V in Jefferson County. Bonne Terre resident Richard S. Brand, 39, was northbound in a 2006 Chevrolet Malibu at a speed too fast for conditions. He lost control of the vehicle on the ice and slid across the center median into the southbound lanes. The left side of the Malibu struck the left side of a 2008 Kenworth tractor trailer driven by Courtney L. Roby, 42, of Fairview Heights, Ill.
Both men had been wearing seat belts. Brand received minor injuries and was taken by ambulance to Jefferson Memorial Hospital. No injuries were listed for Roby.
Damage was listed as moderate to the Malibu and minor to the tractor trailer.
The second accident on U.S. 67 occurred at 9:45 a.m., .5 mile south of Big River North in St. Francois County. A 1999 Chevrolet Blazer driven by Bonne Terre resident Deborah S. Petty, 55, was southbound on the highway when the vehicle headed into the grass median. The Blazer overturned, coming to rest on its top.
Petty, who had not been wearing a seat belt, suffered minor injuries and was taken by ambulance to Parkland South Hospital. Passenger Joseph M. Petty, 31, of Bonne Terre, also received minor injuries. Joseph Petty, who had been wearing a seat belt, was taken by ambulance to the same hospital.
Damage to the Blazer was listed as total.
Two area residents received moderate injuries Tuesday in unrelated accidents in Washington and Crawford counties, according to the Highway Patrol reports.
Jared R. Degonia, 26, of Park Hills, was southbound on Route V, .3 mile south of Route C in Crawford County at 2:45 p.m. when he lost control of his 2006 Ford E 150 on the ice-covered roadway. The vehicle slid off the left side of the road and overturned.
Degonia, who had been wearing a seat belt, was taken by ambulance to Salem Hospital. Damage to the Ford was listed as extensive.
In Washington County, a 1998 GMC 1500 overturned on Highway 21, .2 mile north of Furnace Creek Road.
Bradley S. Wright, 16, of Mineral Point, was northbound at 7:45 p.m. when he lost control of his vehicle on the ice-covered road. The vehicle slid off the right side of the road, overturned and struck a tree.
Bradley, who had been wearing a seat belt, was taken by ambulance to Washington County Memorial Hospital. Damage to the GMC was listed as total.
A Potosi woman received minor injuries at 9:50 a.m. Tuesday when her 2000 Chrysler overturned in Iron County.
According to reports, Ellen A. Walls, 37, was eastbound on Missouri 32, 4 miles west of Banner, when she lost control of her vehicle on ice. The vehicle ran off the road, struck an embankment and overturned.
Walls, who had been wearing a seat belt, was taken by ambulance to Iron County Hospital in Pilot Knob. Damage to the Chrysler was listed as total.
In an earlier accident that occurred at 8:45 p.m. Monday, an Ellington woman received minor injuries when the 1994 Oldsmobile Achieva in which she was riding went off the road in Washington County.
According to Missouri Highway Patrol reports, Ellington resident Robert Shane, 62, was southbound on Missouri 21, .5 mile south of Highway 32, when the Achieva went off the right side of the road and struck a ditch.
Passenger Terry L. Sanders, 58, was taken by ambulance to Washington County Memorial Hospital. No injuries were listed for Shane. Both had been wearing seat belts. Damage to the Achieva was listed as minor.
By late morning, callers were reporting icy conditions on Route OO and in Ste. Genevieve County. MoDOT workers had been out early in the morning pretreating state roads in response to predictions of freezing rain. As the precipitation arrived, roads quickly became slick and motorists began experiencing difficulties.
The department issued an advisory to motorists to use extreme caution while driving on any paved surface, especially on bridges and overpasses where air travels underneath and makes the road’s surface even colder.
Bismarck’s new fire truck was damaged after it slid off the road while responding to a call Tuesday morning.
Bismarck Fire Chief Steve Dickey said firefighters were responding to a vehicle accident on Route N near Trap Rock. He said the driver was driving cautiously because the road was slick. The truck lost traction and slid off the road into a ditch, and ended up resting on the passenger side.
Dickey said no one was hurt and other firefighters continued to the accident call, which turned out to be a non-injury accident.
A tow truck pulled the fire truck out. Dickey said it is now at the fire house, but it is out of service. An insurance adjuster will be down in a few days to look at it.
Dickey said it looks bad but they won’t know the extent of the damage until after the adjuster looks at it. There is damage to the front and passenger side.
He said one of their reserve trucks was put back in service until the new truck is fixed. The new truck does have full coverage by insurance.
The rural fire department just got the 2008 Pearce truck in March. Before that their newest truck was a 1987 model that belongs to the city. They were able to get the truck with a U.S. Homeland Security grant.
Before warmer temperatures in the afternoon melted the icy roads, the Missouri Highway Patrol responded to several accidents, including a rollover on U.S. 67.
Highway Patrol reports provide the following information about Tuesday’s accidents.
Two accidents occurred five minutes apart on U.S. 67. The first occurred at 9:40 a.m., .5 mile south of Route V in Jefferson County. Bonne Terre resident Richard S. Brand, 39, was northbound in a 2006 Chevrolet Malibu at a speed too fast for conditions. He lost control of the vehicle on the ice and slid across the center median into the southbound lanes. The left side of the Malibu struck the left side of a 2008 Kenworth tractor trailer driven by Courtney L. Roby, 42, of Fairview Heights, Ill.
Both men had been wearing seat belts. Brand received minor injuries and was taken by ambulance to Jefferson Memorial Hospital. No injuries were listed for Roby.
Damage was listed as moderate to the Malibu and minor to the tractor trailer.
The second accident on U.S. 67 occurred at 9:45 a.m., .5 mile south of Big River North in St. Francois County. A 1999 Chevrolet Blazer driven by Bonne Terre resident Deborah S. Petty, 55, was southbound on the highway when the vehicle headed into the grass median. The Blazer overturned, coming to rest on its top.
Petty, who had not been wearing a seat belt, suffered minor injuries and was taken by ambulance to Parkland South Hospital. Passenger Joseph M. Petty, 31, of Bonne Terre, also received minor injuries. Joseph Petty, who had been wearing a seat belt, was taken by ambulance to the same hospital.
Damage to the Blazer was listed as total.
Two area residents received moderate injuries Tuesday in unrelated accidents in Washington and Crawford counties, according to the Highway Patrol reports.
Jared R. Degonia, 26, of Park Hills, was southbound on Route V, .3 mile south of Route C in Crawford County at 2:45 p.m. when he lost control of his 2006 Ford E 150 on the ice-covered roadway. The vehicle slid off the left side of the road and overturned.
Degonia, who had been wearing a seat belt, was taken by ambulance to Salem Hospital. Damage to the Ford was listed as extensive.
In Washington County, a 1998 GMC 1500 overturned on Highway 21, .2 mile north of Furnace Creek Road.
Bradley S. Wright, 16, of Mineral Point, was northbound at 7:45 p.m. when he lost control of his vehicle on the ice-covered road. The vehicle slid off the right side of the road, overturned and struck a tree.
Bradley, who had been wearing a seat belt, was taken by ambulance to Washington County Memorial Hospital. Damage to the GMC was listed as total.
A Potosi woman received minor injuries at 9:50 a.m. Tuesday when her 2000 Chrysler overturned in Iron County.
According to reports, Ellen A. Walls, 37, was eastbound on Missouri 32, 4 miles west of Banner, when she lost control of her vehicle on ice. The vehicle ran off the road, struck an embankment and overturned.
Walls, who had been wearing a seat belt, was taken by ambulance to Iron County Hospital in Pilot Knob. Damage to the Chrysler was listed as total.
In an earlier accident that occurred at 8:45 p.m. Monday, an Ellington woman received minor injuries when the 1994 Oldsmobile Achieva in which she was riding went off the road in Washington County.
According to Missouri Highway Patrol reports, Ellington resident Robert Shane, 62, was southbound on Missouri 21, .5 mile south of Highway 32, when the Achieva went off the right side of the road and struck a ditch.
Passenger Terry L. Sanders, 58, was taken by ambulance to Washington County Memorial Hospital. No injuries were listed for Shane. Both had been wearing seat belts. Damage to the Achieva was listed as minor.
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imlcitizen posted on Monday, January 19th, 2009 at 12:12 pm
This is all about "HISTORY". Part of the history is they had a "Chief" who worked hard for the department for years. Some people ASSUMED they were next in line for a leadership position. That did not happen. When changes occur, there is always those who don't agree with the decisions. You have to decide to stay or move on. It does not mean you give up your belief to have accountable government. I have no problem with taxpayers requiring an open/accountable government. There is an open public meeting for those discussion each month. That is where you ask the questions on public record. The Bismarck Fire Department deserves to have the community behind them. If you do not participate in the open meetings, then your agenda is to get back at those who did not recognize you as "potential" leaders. People can use this forum to say what they want. We should only respond back with facts, and remind them of public meeting. Firemen are role models in OUR community and sometimes the only place were some of the youth feel accepted by the community. I thank them for the "volunteer" time the give.
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Zip Line posted on Sunday, January 18th, 2009 at 2:42 am
Lifetime,
The agenda is to bring open government and accountability to the fire district. If you have an issue with that then you need to move to a country such as Iran or Russia! I think the DJ blogs are a great place for the people to express their views. I am very critical of the Bismark fire district and will continue to question their operations.
The agenda is to bring open government and accountability to the fire district. If you have an issue with that then you need to move to a country such as Iran or Russia! I think the DJ blogs are a great place for the people to express their views. I am very critical of the Bismark fire district and will continue to question their operations.
Lifetime Citizen posted on Saturday, January 17th, 2009 at 1:21 pm
Who exactly is the 'blog administrator'? Whoever it is they need to have a copy of the rules in front of them when they decide what gets published. There are so many rules broken that this is a personal agenda slam this one and that one comment area rather than a comment area regarding the article written. Please, we have to follow the rules, the blog administrator should have to also!
tiredofthebull posted on Monday, January 12th, 2009 at 1:40 pm
zip - if you're so tired of governmental abuse and waste, run for office...
farmer posted on Sunday, January 11th, 2009 at 1:39 pm
i sure am glad the ladies aux gave the police a taser so they could video stuff. what journal writer put that picture and credit for the video to the story? that is a joke. the imf police is sure getting its monies worth of pr except it just continues to make them look silly.
Zip Line posted on Friday, January 9th, 2009 at 11:47 am
No beef here. Just tired of our tax dollars being abused and misused.
This "social club" is not just in Bismark.
This "social club" is not just in Bismark.
tiredofthebull posted on Friday, January 9th, 2009 at 11:08 am
Zip - question - what is holding Bismarck Fire Dept "accountable" as you say, going to do for anything or anyone?
Someone had an accident... driving too fast or not, it was an accident...
Sounds like you might actually know who was driving and have a beef with them.. is this a personal vendetta? Or are you truly a "concerned citizen"?
Someone had an accident... driving too fast or not, it was an accident...
Sounds like you might actually know who was driving and have a beef with them.. is this a personal vendetta? Or are you truly a "concerned citizen"?
Zip Line posted on Thursday, January 8th, 2009 at 4:27 pm
Yes I do work. Just read the news at different times. I may post any time day or night. I have had the same job for many years now. This is not about me though. It is about this accident and the accountability of the Bismark Fire District.
gonewiththewind posted on Wednesday, January 7th, 2009 at 7:02 pm
Zip Line, don't you ever work at a real job?
Sorry to get off the subject, but I just couldn't help but notice the times that you comment on the many stories.
Are you really sure it was YOUR tax dollars at work?
Or is it ours that are at work keeping you supplied with what you need to be so critical of others who are too busy to reply to your asinine innuendos and accusations.
Sorry to get off the subject, but I just couldn't help but notice the times that you comment on the many stories.
Are you really sure it was YOUR tax dollars at work?
Or is it ours that are at work keeping you supplied with what you need to be so critical of others who are too busy to reply to your asinine innuendos and accusations.
little bunny foo foo posted on Wednesday, January 7th, 2009 at 12:54 pm
OMG! I just saw who the video was courtesy of. Thats Hilarious! Thank you Ladies Auxilry of Iron Mountain Lake!
tiredofthebull posted on Wednesday, January 7th, 2009 at 7:25 am
Everyone, let me ask... what is knowing the drivers name going to do? Honestly?
tiredofthebull posted on Wednesday, January 7th, 2009 at 7:24 am
zip - how do you know someone was in the wrong? were you there? Sounds like you know more than you are sharing with the rest of us. Until someone can prove to me the driver was being reckless or driving to fast, it sounds like a simple case of ice on the road.
If you watch St. Louis news, funny how the "big time professionals" rolled a truck or two as well....
Hmmmmmm... sounds like someone just had a bad day.
If you watch St. Louis news, funny how the "big time professionals" rolled a truck or two as well....
Hmmmmmm... sounds like someone just had a bad day.
Keith Colwell posted on Tuesday, January 6th, 2009 at 9:19 pm
Did everyone see where The fire&rescue truck ended up on its side Tues. morning in St. Louis. Maybe they need more training. Zipline- I am not taking sides here with anyone, this whole thing is more "political" than anything else and that bothers me more than anything. But if you can tell me HONESTLY with 100% certanty that if you were driving that truck that day that there was absolutely no way that it would have happened to you then I will never say another word about this!!
Have to Speak Out posted on Tuesday, January 6th, 2009 at 1:41 pm
To Tired: I have driven firetrucks on ice, but never wrecked one. However, had I made a mistake, I would have admitted it. I would not have talked about "the driver" as if it wasn't me. That was ridiculous.
Zip Line posted on Monday, January 5th, 2009 at 4:46 pm
Full of Bull.. I have answered your question a hundred times now! I have been woke in the middle of the night more times than I care to count. I have driven fire trucks all over this county and others. I will stand up for any firefighter that is in the right. I will not stand up for a firefighter or dept. that is in the wrong; as in this instance.
I have done two of the things on your "holy" list and continue to do them, so I do know what it is like.
I have done two of the things on your "holy" list and continue to do them, so I do know what it is like.
tiredofthebull posted on Monday, January 5th, 2009 at 1:14 pm
Hey zip - Yes, I was a fireman, yes I took a defensive driving course, yes, it was VERY DIFFICULT!
No, I was never a member of Bismarck Fire Dept...
Yes - I will stand up for any fire fighter, company, or department... Until you wake up at 3 am to a pager calling you out to an unknown situation in the middle of the night to help a complete stranger for free... you have no room to criticize..
Have you ever driven a fire truck? Try it once on dry pavement.. it's not fun... then try it on ice.. knowing in the back of your mind, someone's live or home is in your hands...
You can call for any kind of government you want.. until you've been a cop or fireman or medic you have no idea of what you are talking about..
No, I was never a member of Bismarck Fire Dept...
Yes - I will stand up for any fire fighter, company, or department... Until you wake up at 3 am to a pager calling you out to an unknown situation in the middle of the night to help a complete stranger for free... you have no room to criticize..
Have you ever driven a fire truck? Try it once on dry pavement.. it's not fun... then try it on ice.. knowing in the back of your mind, someone's live or home is in your hands...
You can call for any kind of government you want.. until you've been a cop or fireman or medic you have no idea of what you are talking about..
Have to Speak Out posted on Saturday, January 3rd, 2009 at 11:09 pm
An approved emergency vehicle driving course does teach you how to drive on ice. It absolutely lessens the chance of a crash in such situations. Some classes actually have you put you emergency vehicle into a skid on slick pavement and learn how to recover from it. If you think it doesn't help, you are wrong.
Lifetime Citizen posted on Saturday, January 3rd, 2009 at 10:32 pm
Accountability? Accountability should have been done 15+ years ago!
Lifetime Citizen posted on Saturday, January 3rd, 2009 at 10:29 pm
There is NO FIX for an ACCIDENT. As for ZipLine, you want government accountability? How about if you were held accountable for some of the 'things' you are responsible for the department is still paying for? Accountability for an accident? A material item? A truck? Get real!! To Medicgirl - Amen! I support and agree with every word you wrote!!!
I really don't expect to see this published, some follow the rules and are published, some write whatever they want, making treats and insinuations, while others cannot get published. Why is that? What social club? If there is one I want to join!
I really don't expect to see this published, some follow the rules and are published, some write whatever they want, making treats and insinuations, while others cannot get published. Why is that? What social club? If there is one I want to join!
Zip Line posted on Saturday, January 3rd, 2009 at 9:21 am
I just wonder how many comments on here are from fire department members and family. Are you trying to protect the "social club"?
This is not stirring the pot as it was said in one post, it is demanding OPEN GOVERMENT and GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILTY! This is a fire protection district so they are a government agency. The driver of this vehicle is acting as an agent for the department so he should be held accountable. Far to long have agencies such as this one worked without accountablity. We as the taxpayers must start holding the government to the highest standard. Demand it and it will happen.
This is not stirring the pot as it was said in one post, it is demanding OPEN GOVERMENT and GOVERNMENT ACCOUNTABILTY! This is a fire protection district so they are a government agency. The driver of this vehicle is acting as an agent for the department so he should be held accountable. Far to long have agencies such as this one worked without accountablity. We as the taxpayers must start holding the government to the highest standard. Demand it and it will happen.
firehousewife posted on Wednesday, December 31st, 2008 at 12:35 pm
I agree with TIRED OF THE BULL ... I had written a much better comment yesterday but for some reason it has never been posted.
juststop posted on Tuesday, December 30th, 2008 at 3:12 pm
My gosh give it a rest it is over with and done. I am sure that the fire dept is not perfect but who is? Some of you all on here just like to stir the pot and get people going and i must say you do a darn good job but stop and think for a minute. Why was they fire dept out and about? Because someone ran off the road and why? ICE..I dont care how much driving classes you have ICE is still hard to drive on. I myself it the dig that day and i was going slow. I am glad that no one got hurt. Some people need to get a job and stay off the computer all the time just trying to figure out a way to stir stuff up.
Have to Speak Out posted on Tuesday, December 30th, 2008 at 12:27 pm
Localfireman: I was certified in an approved CEVO emergency vehicle operation class, but I never wrecked any emergency vehicle.
Secondly, I have been critical of the leadership of the department. I don't intend to criticize the firefighters. We have a good group of firefighters. There appears to be too few, but they are good guys.
Secondly, I have been critical of the leadership of the department. I don't intend to criticize the firefighters. We have a good group of firefighters. There appears to be too few, but they are good guys.
Bismarck Citizen posted on Tuesday, December 30th, 2008 at 12:00 pm
COME ON DRAMA QUEENS
First of all may i say this has all got out of hand. Complaining about the first wreck of the Bismarck Fire Department in over 78 YRS. If anyone would like to complain how the truck wrecked why not complain to MODOT for not putting salt down that morning.
Complaining about a fire truck wreck but not complaing about a 18 wheeler that ran off the road, over corrected and turned over in the middle of Cedar Street at 8:00 a.m. on dry pavement. So tell me who drives more wreckless in this town a fire department running blue lights and siren or a 18 wheeler none emergency and still in a hurry, come on there is better things to complain about in this town.
DONT WORRY 3100 SAME OLD STORY DIFFERENT DAY
First of all may i say this has all got out of hand. Complaining about the first wreck of the Bismarck Fire Department in over 78 YRS. If anyone would like to complain how the truck wrecked why not complain to MODOT for not putting salt down that morning.
Complaining about a fire truck wreck but not complaing about a 18 wheeler that ran off the road, over corrected and turned over in the middle of Cedar Street at 8:00 a.m. on dry pavement. So tell me who drives more wreckless in this town a fire department running blue lights and siren or a 18 wheeler none emergency and still in a hurry, come on there is better things to complain about in this town.
DONT WORRY 3100 SAME OLD STORY DIFFERENT DAY
Kelly Nall posted on Tuesday, December 30th, 2008 at 10:49 am
Oh My God, tiredofthebull we actually agreed on something...excuse me while i pick my mouth up off the floor.
Zip Line posted on Tuesday, December 30th, 2008 at 10:34 am
Grant money...where does that come from? From the taxpayers, thats where. My money and your money. So yes, all of us pay for their training and equipment.
FullofBull...read my prior message.
FullofBull...read my prior message.
Born2sv posted on Tuesday, December 30th, 2008 at 5:07 am
This is to all!!!!
Yes people are complaining about the way the firemen drive and that the accident probably could have been avoided, but I have to agree with the one that commented on the speed and the use of the blue lights. Bismarck does not have a lot of traffic and yet a certain little white truck insists upon speeding down the street with his blue light and siren going every time he responds to the firehouse for a call. Also a lot of the time they race their own vechiles and squall the tires when the leave after hanging out at the firehouse and if this is the way they treat their own vechiles then what keeps them from doing that with the firetrucks when they feel they have power and want to show off. Yes, I too have seen them speed up the streets in the firetrucks when they are pleasure driving and using the trucks for their own pesonal use . There is a lot of traffic in and out of the firehouse at times of day and night with a lot horseplay going on.
Yes people are complaining about the way the firemen drive and that the accident probably could have been avoided, but I have to agree with the one that commented on the speed and the use of the blue lights. Bismarck does not have a lot of traffic and yet a certain little white truck insists upon speeding down the street with his blue light and siren going every time he responds to the firehouse for a call. Also a lot of the time they race their own vechiles and squall the tires when the leave after hanging out at the firehouse and if this is the way they treat their own vechiles then what keeps them from doing that with the firetrucks when they feel they have power and want to show off. Yes, I too have seen them speed up the streets in the firetrucks when they are pleasure driving and using the trucks for their own pesonal use . There is a lot of traffic in and out of the firehouse at times of day and night with a lot horseplay going on.
S. Creek posted on Tuesday, December 30th, 2008 at 4:36 am
We should all just be glad no one was hurt. We learn from the things that happen to us each day. Lets learn from this and Go On. We need to get the truck repaired and back to serving the citizens. Being a fireman is a tough job as it is. But it is a needed job. We need to think about the saftey of all your family and mine. I will be glad to see the truck back to doing the job it was bought for. God Bless and remain safe.
mobigdog posted on Monday, December 29th, 2008 at 4:15 pm
EBG - I think the term "JOHN WANYE" was given to a police officer, NOT a fireman. Also if I have a medical emergency, I would much rather see a fireman with medical training than a policeman with basic life support training, maybe.
AND to all the negative that is being written, YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER!!!! Grow up and JUST be thankful there are people that are willing to help regardless of being paid or volunteering! Regardless of the training, accidents happen all the time. Look at the recent past when both fire fighters and police officers have been hurt and/or killed doing something they believe in! Put your life on the line and I will listen to your opinion, otherwise keep your mouths closed. The posts here should have never gotten so negative, regardless of what your opinions are of the Bismarck Fire Department. They had an accident, they have insurance, no one was hurt, IT HAPPENS GET OVER IT!!!
ZipLine - You have some serious issues, you should look to volunteering, may just open your eyes! OH, and a GRANT paid for the truck, not you!!!
DRIVE FAST/RECKLESS, I want to survive
AND to all the negative that is being written, YOUR OPINION DOES NOT MATTER!!!! Grow up and JUST be thankful there are people that are willing to help regardless of being paid or volunteering! Regardless of the training, accidents happen all the time. Look at the recent past when both fire fighters and police officers have been hurt and/or killed doing something they believe in! Put your life on the line and I will listen to your opinion, otherwise keep your mouths closed. The posts here should have never gotten so negative, regardless of what your opinions are of the Bismarck Fire Department. They had an accident, they have insurance, no one was hurt, IT HAPPENS GET OVER IT!!!
ZipLine - You have some serious issues, you should look to volunteering, may just open your eyes! OH, and a GRANT paid for the truck, not you!!!
DRIVE FAST/RECKLESS, I want to survive
Zip Line posted on Monday, December 29th, 2008 at 3:47 pm
Due Regard...does anyone know what that means? If you have had your so called training, you will know. Extension classes are good training sometimes, but how many people have ever failed them? Zero, because that is how they are geared. I have been there and done that and still do it. So, when you speak up and say I don't understand, you are wrong. For the cop... the same goes for you guys. Small man hiding behind a gun and badge. I have met many of those. Met many good ones also.
There are guys that care about their community and do give 110%, just as there are bad ones.
This wreak should be a wake up call to intensify training and provide a better "Public Image". I hope it happens, as I hope the driver learned from this.
There are guys that care about their community and do give 110%, just as there are bad ones.
This wreak should be a wake up call to intensify training and provide a better "Public Image". I hope it happens, as I hope the driver learned from this.
S. Creek posted on Monday, December 29th, 2008 at 2:39 pm
I think we should all just be glad no one was hurt. The truck can be repaired. We all know that it can be a tough job at times. We learn from the things that occur in our lives. Lets get on with this and get the truck back to serving the public. Being a firefighter in a small town is tring to provide security for your family and mine. It is about the job. Do it well hold your head up and be proud at the end of the day. God bless and keep safe.
tiredofthebull posted on Monday, December 29th, 2008 at 2:22 pm
zip line - all your questions... very easy answer.. it's not an everyday thing to drive the firetruck. 2nd, add 1500 gallons of water, usually located higher up in the truck, (8 pounds per gallon) that's 12000 pounds.. plus the truck.. on ice...
second - read ace's comment.. better yet.. i'll rephrase.. the day you call 911 for help, they won't be able to drive fast enough...
I'm sure Bismark would love if you walked down to the fire house, gave them $25,000 for training and equipment such as snow chains.. go for it Zip Line...
do something besides blow hot air around
second - read ace's comment.. better yet.. i'll rephrase.. the day you call 911 for help, they won't be able to drive fast enough...
I'm sure Bismark would love if you walked down to the fire house, gave them $25,000 for training and equipment such as snow chains.. go for it Zip Line...
do something besides blow hot air around
tiredofthebull posted on Monday, December 29th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
Wow.. gotta get in on this one.. first - driver training for firefighters includes an obstacle course that most of you couldn't pass with your car.. let alone a big truck..
EBG - glad you are a cop and "you know everything"...
guess what.. most of the firemen do not get a power trip from their blue lights.. get a grip on yourself...
Most volunteer hundreds of hours for FREE every year to help their towns out, pay for the gas and blue lights out of their own pocket, and do it because they enjoy helping out.
Yes, fighting fire and driving with lights and sirens is exciting... it also carries a HUGE liability for the driver.. in his own vehicle or in the cities.... you should know.. they hit someone, it's their butts personally.. can even do jail time..
EBG - pull your head out of your tail end and wake up for once...
EBG - glad you are a cop and "you know everything"...
guess what.. most of the firemen do not get a power trip from their blue lights.. get a grip on yourself...
Most volunteer hundreds of hours for FREE every year to help their towns out, pay for the gas and blue lights out of their own pocket, and do it because they enjoy helping out.
Yes, fighting fire and driving with lights and sirens is exciting... it also carries a HUGE liability for the driver.. in his own vehicle or in the cities.... you should know.. they hit someone, it's their butts personally.. can even do jail time..
EBG - pull your head out of your tail end and wake up for once...
commonsensesayer posted on Monday, December 29th, 2008 at 1:55 pm
I'm going to use the same reason to speak my opinion here as "have to speak out" did, as I am a tax payer as well.
First off, I want to thank those people that volunteer their time away from their families to serve the public. Yes, that is their choice to do that, and I'm glad they make it.
second, just because you have the right to your opinion, doesn't mean you have to run off at the mouth without being able to qualify your remarks. To those of you that are being critical, can you drive a big truck like that with 1200 gal of water in it on an icy road while trying to get to an accident victim as quick as you can? I highly doubt it.
And to the supposed police officer who offered their power trip conspiricy, he he, I have met (not been pulled over or arrested by) many many cops who are on that blue light power trip you speak of. I've not met one firefighter like that yet.
It was an ACCIDENT, they have INSURANCE! Now move on!
First off, I want to thank those people that volunteer their time away from their families to serve the public. Yes, that is their choice to do that, and I'm glad they make it.
second, just because you have the right to your opinion, doesn't mean you have to run off at the mouth without being able to qualify your remarks. To those of you that are being critical, can you drive a big truck like that with 1200 gal of water in it on an icy road while trying to get to an accident victim as quick as you can? I highly doubt it.
And to the supposed police officer who offered their power trip conspiricy, he he, I have met (not been pulled over or arrested by) many many cops who are on that blue light power trip you speak of. I've not met one firefighter like that yet.
It was an ACCIDENT, they have INSURANCE! Now move on!
Apnatic posted on Monday, December 29th, 2008 at 12:24 pm
How sad for Bismark, I hope the truck is repaired soon. As far as the driver, be thankful he was not hurt, or that it was "You" stuck on the side of the road and he hit your car.
Some of you folks sound as if you may be the people who hear and see an emergency vehicle in the area, and you don't pull over and stop, you just keep going...umm, bet you are. Shame on you..If you don't like the fire training in your area, do something about it...criticizing does not solve a problem...Is there anyone positive out there...I agree with those who asked for some of you to try to be positive...maybe a good resolution for 2009? Think about it, have a great week.
Some of you folks sound as if you may be the people who hear and see an emergency vehicle in the area, and you don't pull over and stop, you just keep going...umm, bet you are. Shame on you..If you don't like the fire training in your area, do something about it...criticizing does not solve a problem...Is there anyone positive out there...I agree with those who asked for some of you to try to be positive...maybe a good resolution for 2009? Think about it, have a great week.
Kelly Nall posted on Monday, December 29th, 2008 at 10:50 am
EBG---You said it all in your last line "you are a cop and you know" you are a cop and you know everything I am sure, most cops do, espically if you are a farmington cop. Here is a reality check for you, you are just a local cop from a podunk town, not a state trooper not a federal agent, why do you start patroling the streets and checking homes and businesses for once instead of running traffic on the highways and sitting talking on you cell phones. As for some of us firefighters we do it for helping other people, our department does not allow us to use a Blue light and siren unless it is a confirmed fire. So if you want to truely help why don't you donate your time as a firefighter instead of complaining.
EBG posted on Monday, December 29th, 2008 at 9:21 am
It has been my experience with every fire department in this county with the exception of Farmington (they are f/t for the most part) that it has nothing to do with helping the other guy or anything else. It is about the power trip these guys get from having a blue light and siren in their personal vehicle. It is about adrenaline and power and nothing else. Sorry if this offends you Ms. Nall, but I deal with reality not fantasy. Missing time with your family as a volunteer fire fighter is a choice made based on a stronger desire for an adrenaline rush than for spending time with your kids and family.
I know about missing time with family for worthy causes and it doesn't have anything to do with dragging a fire hose. It has everything to do with ernestly seeking out ways to help someone else out of a stronger desire to see the other guy do better than you are doing yourself. It's called selflessness, and I have rarely seen that from firefighters in this county. I know, I'm a cop and have seen them work.
I know about missing time with family for worthy causes and it doesn't have anything to do with dragging a fire hose. It has everything to do with ernestly seeking out ways to help someone else out of a stronger desire to see the other guy do better than you are doing yourself. It's called selflessness, and I have rarely seen that from firefighters in this county. I know, I'm a cop and have seen them work.
local fireman posted on Monday, December 29th, 2008 at 9:10 am
have to speak out. you was in a ambulance wreck. what kind of driver training did you have.
Kelly Nall posted on Monday, December 29th, 2008 at 8:36 am
Have to Speak Out--As far as the driver training goes--Yes we watch a video and do 8 hours of class room work then have to do a driver cert class in the truck on a driving course set by the University of Missouri Fire Training. After that we have to have so many hours of driving each truck. Again if you think you can do it better then get off you lazy butt and go put in an application and see how it is done. We are all for the most part not paid for the time or time lost with families. Again Lets see you out there driving and fighting fire and missing time with your family without pay!
medicgirl posted on Sunday, December 28th, 2008 at 10:42 pm
First of all they told the Daily Journal who was driving and the person who wrote the article is the one who chose not to put it in there.Second of all the man who was driving was my partner for years and he is the most cautious driver I have ever rode with in my life.He would never drive wreckless risking his life nor any one else.How dare you guys bash the guys that put there life on the line to save yours.It sounds like the ones bashing has been in the field.You figure you would be one of the ones to understand but sounds like your pride and jealousy is getting in the way.You know this is probably one of the most rewarding jobs ever and also one of the hardest too.Let me see you tell a family there loved one died or leave your family to go to a call not knowing if you will ever see them again and they have to listen to this crap for having an accident on ICE.Chris thank God you werent chief and they didnt have to listen to criticism instead of glad your okay. There's a reason Dickey's chief.
oldfirefart posted on Sunday, December 28th, 2008 at 8:39 pm
Complain, complain, complain. As stated before, a truck can be replaced, lives cannot. For those of you who think you are a perfect driver, volunteer your time at the firehouse. The people complaining the most are the same people that say "what took you so long". I say to you "get off your butt and join the Fire Dept. and see what it is like". You need to remember, also, that these men and women are volunteers. Most receive no pay but give up time with loved ones on holidays, birthdays, anniversaries, etc. to help YOU. As a volunteer firefighter for close to 30 years I can tell you that no amount of training can prepare you for every possible scenario. And, by the way, 25 of those years was as a driver and pump operator. So you are not going to give me your 'holier than thou' attitude. I, too, am glad no one was hurt. Instead of being so critical, show these fine folks some support.
lud4013 posted on Sunday, December 28th, 2008 at 3:20 am
Oh yeah, theres somewhat of a difference between scruitny and a hypocrit, right? so ill let you be the judge on that one!
lud4013 posted on Sunday, December 28th, 2008 at 3:19 am
ZIP LINE: paid for part of that truck? well since you seem to be the expert at driving on ice and taking care of things, then why dont you come up to the firehouse, show your face, then give us the so called "extensive" training that we need! Lets see who can handle themselves better in a losing situation.
Medicbynight posted on Sunday, December 28th, 2008 at 1:16 am
WOW public servant!! my job is to save your butt not kiss it!! and my money payed for the truck too. FEDERAL GRANT not bismarck grant.So i can voice my opinion too, no one was hurt thats the main thing. As for paid departments st louis city has two pumpers hit each other going to the same call. So much far paid department making the difference!!!!! AGAIN zip get a life
To Betty: thank you for your hard work and telling it like it is!!!
To Betty: thank you for your hard work and telling it like it is!!!
Have to Speak Out posted on Saturday, December 27th, 2008 at 8:17 pm
Someone said they have "EXTENSIVE drivers training. Watching a video is not extensive training. What organization certified this training you claim took place?
Have to Speak Out posted on Saturday, December 27th, 2008 at 8:14 pm
"The driver was driving cautiously because the road was slick." Of course "the driver" would say that. What I don't understand is why he is acting like someone else was driving.
Have to Speak Out posted on Saturday, December 27th, 2008 at 8:09 pm
To Medicbynight: Obviously everyone is glad no one was hurt. That goes without saying. If you are accusing anyone of wanting a fireman to die, you are a twisted individual.
Keith Colwell posted on Saturday, December 27th, 2008 at 7:06 pm
This is to Zip Line, I don't know who you are, you might be my next door neighbor but it does not matter. I have been reading these comments and I can't take anymore of this nonsense. It does not matter if it is the Fire Dept, Police Dept., School, or city administration; there is always someone to have something to complain about. How do you know how fast they where going? Were you standing there watching them? Have you ever hit a patch of ice going around a curve with a truck that size with 1200 gallons of water in it and tried to keep it under control? My son was one of the people on that truck and I thank God the driver had the training he had or it could have been much worse. MY GOD--IT WAS A FULLY INSURED TRUCK!!!! If you don't like it then go get the training and I bet they will let you be their full time driver. Is everybody perfect, no. But they are out there putting their lives on the line for people like you and me. Thank them!
MONKEYBUTT posted on Saturday, December 27th, 2008 at 6:45 pm
An accident is an accident. There were people all over the Parkland in the ditch and most were probably being cautious. Some of you mouthy, sarcastic, pot-stirrers had better be careful. What comes around goes around. There is still a lot of winter left...you could end up in the ditch and need their help! Bet you're not so mouthy then!
Kelly Nall posted on Saturday, December 27th, 2008 at 5:45 pm
Hey Zip Line you said "This is why all departments should be paid, just for the accountability aspect!" Are you ready to buck up and pay in you taxes what it costs for a full time staff of firefighters? You are looking in upwards of $250,000 to $300,000 for pay not counting insurance and taxes. Just think about this 3 firefighters per shift of 24 hours. That is 12 full time firefighters not counting the part time firefighters who would have to cover shifts in event of vacation or sickness. I agree with you that most of the departments around here should be full time but 99% of the people would complain about the rise in taxes to pay for a full time department. So are you ready to pay more taxes for a full time professional department?
Zip Line posted on Friday, December 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
I can voice my opinion because I paid for part of that truck. I take care of my "stuff" and I expect "stuff" that I helped pay for to be taken care of. It seems to me that some of you forgot that you are a public servant. If you are a volunteer and can't take the scrutiny, then you need to resign. This is why all departments should be paid, just for the accountability aspect! DUE REGARD WAS NOT EXERCISED HERE! Next time there may be a car under you because YOU did not EXERCISE DUE REGARD. Slow down and use your head for something other than a hat rack!
Kelly Nall posted on Friday, December 26th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
Everybody complains when the firefighters are going to a call to fast or are not being careful enough. But when you call firefighters and EMT's can't get there fast enough. You can not please everybody all the time, but when you see a firetruck or ambulance GET OUT OF THE WAY. If they are driving fast it is for a reason, a good reason; and you never know when you might need one of those firefighters or emt's for yourself or your family members.
Medicbynight posted on Friday, December 26th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
To have to speak out: leadwood and park hills and doe run already cover.It's called mutual aid. Fire departments could on do the job they do without it. as far as public opinion your should educate your self before your bash people for a job YOU will not do. Your worried about a truck. A truck that can be replaced. What you wanted to see 4 dead fireman instead?
to zip line:you want training? Good you can be the first one to write a check to pay for it!!!
training = money thats it, If they are selling fire tags and everyone is buying (i am sure not everyone is)then there would be money for training, gas turnout gear. If you have no money then is hard to pay someone to train you! The fire service is not cheap.
to zip line:you want training? Good you can be the first one to write a check to pay for it!!!
training = money thats it, If they are selling fire tags and everyone is buying (i am sure not everyone is)then there would be money for training, gas turnout gear. If you have no money then is hard to pay someone to train you! The fire service is not cheap.
Betty posted on Friday, December 26th, 2008 at 10:32 am
Have To Speak Out, Zip Line & amy1:
If this is the sort of attitudes we can expect in having Chris as Fire Chief, I won't have it.
As a fundraising and grant-seeker volunteer of BFD, I can assure you they are the hardest working group this dept has known in a long time and have the biggest hearts of any one group I've ever known.
But right now, they are the saddest group. They have lost the truck that was their pride & joy, but more than that, they were saddened to see exactly what they expected...the pettiness of the former members whose sole delight is in seeing misfortune fall upon this fire department.
To M & A, may God forgive you for your hoots of laughter and your applause upon seeing the accident. I can't.
To the ones who wish to run for aldermen whose one purpose is getting Chris in as Chief:
Being an alderman holds much more responsibility than either of you care about doing.
I,too put my heart & soul in helping to get the grant for the truck, but I just thank God they're all OK.
If this is the sort of attitudes we can expect in having Chris as Fire Chief, I won't have it.
As a fundraising and grant-seeker volunteer of BFD, I can assure you they are the hardest working group this dept has known in a long time and have the biggest hearts of any one group I've ever known.
But right now, they are the saddest group. They have lost the truck that was their pride & joy, but more than that, they were saddened to see exactly what they expected...the pettiness of the former members whose sole delight is in seeing misfortune fall upon this fire department.
To M & A, may God forgive you for your hoots of laughter and your applause upon seeing the accident. I can't.
To the ones who wish to run for aldermen whose one purpose is getting Chris in as Chief:
Being an alderman holds much more responsibility than either of you care about doing.
I,too put my heart & soul in helping to get the grant for the truck, but I just thank God they're all OK.
miner490 posted on Friday, December 26th, 2008 at 12:44 am
to speak out if they dont have people then why not join up so you can run calls too and look out for your property!
flyonthewall posted on Wednesday, December 24th, 2008 at 10:51 pm
Firetrucks can be replaced. That's what insurance is for! I'm thankful that nobody was injured! Thank you all for putting your lives on the line for all of us! ...even the hateful, ungrateful ones.
Lifetime Citizen posted on Wednesday, December 24th, 2008 at 10:31 pm
It is unfortunate 'our' new truck was involved in an accident. It is by the Grace of God no one was injured or worse. Trucks can be replaced. Family members and friends cannot. I know if I am in an accident I would want the responders to get to me as quickly as possible. I also know two of the four in the truck have had EXTENSIVE drivers training. Wet roads and snow are one thing, ice is ice. Anyone who has hit a patch of ice knows this. So 'Zip Line' I pray you never hit any ice. So before you become too critical of 'material' things, know there was only ONE perfect person whoever walked this earth and it wasn't ANY of you! Again, trucks can be replaced. Husbands, Daddys, Sons, Brothers, Grandsons, Uncles, Cousins, Family cannot. Amy1 and Zip Line, one day I hope you will learn as the old saying goes, you should not judge someone until you walk a mile in their shoes! You two are very quick to criticize, get a life, preferably a positive life!!!
lud4013 posted on Wednesday, December 24th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
ZIP LINE: how about some drivers training? even when the "previous," cheif and asst. cheif was around, no one had EXTENSIVE drivers training! i remember driving one of the trucks around probably about a month after i was on the department! and i know that all you people that always bash the bismarck fire department, may not like the new cheifs, and try to find ways to make them look bad, but their still doing everything the way it was always done! so find something better to do with your time, and be thankful that no one was hurt!
ace posted on Wednesday, December 24th, 2008 at 4:33 pm
just remember when it your house your crash your kid choking. cause you'll be complaining that the fire dept took there time and to all you who are bitter maybe it cause you couldnt grt the job done and it was time for change
Sioko posted on Wednesday, December 24th, 2008 at 3:45 pm
That pic looks like it's a hundred years old!
Glad no one was hurt
Glad no one was hurt
Eornut posted on Wednesday, December 24th, 2008 at 2:31 pm
OMG !!! Will you all please shut up ??
I was out myself and dang near put my own car in a ditch because the roads was bad ! I have been driving for 20 years and my dad made sure we knew how to drive on this stuff , but no amount of training is enough !!!
Oh and by the way DJ has to ask those involved in accidents if they can publish thier names , have you heard of privacy ??????
I was out myself and dang near put my own car in a ditch because the roads was bad ! I have been driving for 20 years and my dad made sure we knew how to drive on this stuff , but no amount of training is enough !!!
Oh and by the way DJ has to ask those involved in accidents if they can publish thier names , have you heard of privacy ??????
FIREMANSWIFE posted on Wednesday, December 24th, 2008 at 1:56 pm
To the people who like to say things you know nothing about. If you would like to know who was driving the fire truck call the station i am sure that they will tell you how it was there is no secret. And to the one that said they need some drivers training they all have went through drivers training before they can drive a truck. And the main thing is that one was hurt it is just a truck and it can be replaced and peoples lifes cannot. I would not like to lose my husband and everybody is worried about a truck. I am sure it was one of your loved ones you would not like people saying things about them. It something would of happened to these fireman there would have been 4 kids without there fathers. Thank God that did not happen.
Zip Line posted on Wednesday, December 24th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
First off...How many other drivers navigated the roadway safely? Many did by driving like they had some sense.
Second...How many people have watched the fire department people drive with total disregard for the public? Many have including myself.
Third...I stand by demanding more training from our local fire department. This should have never happened. I encourage all residents of Bismark Fire District to demand more. They need to quit with the social club mentality and begin being professional; people's lives hang in the balance.
Fourth...By looking at the picture the truck did not slide of into the ditch, it was on its side.
Fifth...And now the department wonders why they have trouble selling tags. Here lies your answer. Total disregard for public property and equipment.
Second...How many people have watched the fire department people drive with total disregard for the public? Many have including myself.
Third...I stand by demanding more training from our local fire department. This should have never happened. I encourage all residents of Bismark Fire District to demand more. They need to quit with the social club mentality and begin being professional; people's lives hang in the balance.
Fourth...By looking at the picture the truck did not slide of into the ditch, it was on its side.
Fifth...And now the department wonders why they have trouble selling tags. Here lies your answer. Total disregard for public property and equipment.
Have to Speak Out posted on Wednesday, December 24th, 2008 at 12:30 pm
To Medicbynight:
You forget that all emergency vehicles are the property of the general public and we have a right to voice our opinions. If you don't respect the public's opinions, you should not be in public service.
As far as being better off without the former members, now Leadwood and Park Hills have to cover many of Bismarck's calls because so many of their active members are no longer members. Who is better off with a department that can't cover it's own calls?
You forget that all emergency vehicles are the property of the general public and we have a right to voice our opinions. If you don't respect the public's opinions, you should not be in public service.
As far as being better off without the former members, now Leadwood and Park Hills have to cover many of Bismarck's calls because so many of their active members are no longer members. Who is better off with a department that can't cover it's own calls?
local fireman posted on Wednesday, December 24th, 2008 at 11:29 am
amy1 How do you know how fast the truck was going? Was you on the truck?
Medicbynight posted on Wednesday, December 24th, 2008 at 11:26 am
1st off what does the word ICE mean? i dont care how much training or driving experience you have or how careful you drive ANYONE can wreak on ice. At least there were out helping people instead of sitting around bashing people on the internet.
To zip line and have to speak out
GET A LIFE!! Your worried about a fire and and training THANK GOD no one was hurt!! people put lives on the line day in and day out all you can do is complain!! sounds a few of the "let go " fire department members speaking out!! well they are better of without you!!!!!
To zip line and have to speak out
GET A LIFE!! Your worried about a fire and and training THANK GOD no one was hurt!! people put lives on the line day in and day out all you can do is complain!! sounds a few of the "let go " fire department members speaking out!! well they are better of without you!!!!!
amy1 posted on Wednesday, December 24th, 2008 at 10:46 am
Icy conditions were not the only cause of that accident. I see those boys drive the trucks around Bismarck way too fast. It is a shame that no lessons will be learned from this because that fire department thinks they know it already.
Zip Line posted on Wednesday, December 24th, 2008 at 10:10 am
How about some drivers training. Should not have happened. This is why all emergency drivers should be required to have extensive drivers training.
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